On 7/26/14 9:32 PM, Daniel wrote:
On 26/07/14 21:54, Trane Francks wrote:
On 7/26/14 7:15 PM, Daniel wrote:
On 26/07/14 14:33, Trane Francks wrote:
On 7/25/14 11:00 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote:
Miles Fidelman wrote:
BIll Spikowski wrote:
I generally use POP for email, so I'm most familiar with how it
works. I download all my email to my office computer and store it
permanently there. When I look at my email from somewhere else, I
can save it or delete it, but it still ends up on my office computer
for archiving, which is the behavior I want.
I've begun using IMAP as well so I can occasionally look at all the
emails on the server that Spam Assassin has marked as spam and
decide which ones I'd like to actually look at and which should be
permanently removed.
When I'm traveling, I used to have IMAP set up on my laptop so that
I could delete regular email I didn't want to look at again but
which wasn't deemed spam by Spam Assassin.
Somehow that doesn't work any more. In my IMAP account on my laptop,
I can permanently delete spam and it's GONE. But when I delete
non-spam emails from the inbox, they still appear on my office
computer when I return.
Maybe I've just messed up some settings in Seamonkey, though nothing
seems amiss. Is there some other reason that my IMAP account can
permanently delete messages from the server's spam folder but can't
permanently delete messages from the server's inbox?
Are you leaving your office computer powered up? Sounds like POP is
just doing its thing and downloading stuff before you delete it
Yes I leave it powered up -- and make sure EVERY NIGHT that no
seamonkey.exe process is running in the background, because I've
learned that for some reason even an invisible seamonkey.exe process
makes my Seamonkey POP account aware of new messages, even if it
doesn't download them until I open the mail client.
It could also be a configuration issue - how are you configuring IMAP
to delete things (move to trash, mark as deleted, delete immediately)
- if you have it set to "mark as deleted," it's still in your inbox
until you expunge -- in which case, the question becomes how your POP
client handles mail that's been marked, but not yet expunged.
I have the IMAP accounts set to "remove immediately" -- but I wondered
if my server might interpret "immediately" differently than I do --
say automatically once a day instead of "right now"! That could be
the problem; I should experiment a bit and see what happens...
It's important to expunge the inbox for its contents to be updated on
the server. That is done by settings (expunge on exit) or by compacting
the inbox folder in SeaMonkey; otherwise, there will be a delay in
folder contents as experienced by a subsequent POP3 access.
Maybe it's a language thing, Trane, but, rather than "expunge on exit",
if I look at Edit->Mail & Newsgroup Account Settings and select Server
Settings for my Mail account, under Message Storage I can (and have)
select "Empty Trash on Exit"!!
Maybe a converting from English to Japanese (I think) and back to
English thing!!
ROTFL - I'm a native English speaker, Daniel. I can't say that I
understand where you might have gotten the idea that my English is
suffering for quality. Just sayin'. Heh. If you were to round-robin some
English to Japanese and back to English via Google Translate, I highly
doubt you'd find anything that even resembled my grammar.
Anyway, Empty Trash on Exit is a feature of both POP and IMAP accounts.
Cleanup ("Expunge") Inbox on Exit only features on IMAP account
settings. Both are found in the Message Storage section. Expunge on exit
tells the IMAP server to update its folders. Expunging takes messages
that have been marked for deletion and physically deletes them.
Expunge means to 'erase or remove completely'.
Ahh!! So your "Expunge on exit" might go closer to "Compact on exit"
which is a feature that, I think, should be available for pop accounts,
but isn't!!
I don't think so, Daniel. 'Cleanup ("Expunge") Inbox on Exit' does
exactly what its meaning would indicate: Expunging causes messages
marked for deletion to be physically removed. The issue here is to note
that POP3 servers and IMAP servers operate rather differently. On an
IMAP server, /deleting/ a message only marks the message for _later_
deletion. With an IMAP account, when you delete your message in your
mail application, it's sending a message to the server to mark that
message for removal. It isn't done immediately, however; the actual
'real' delete only happens with expunging.
Compacting just happens to _also_ trigger expunging on IMAP servers
because cleanup is the first step in compacting. One can delete messages
without compacting, but one cannot compact without deleting messages
(that have been marked for deletion). Compacting and expunging are not
at all the same thing, although they are somewhat related.
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