maybe a little unrelated. i just sold a brahma 140 (14 mm capsules) and zoom modified to a new york film crew. they plan to use the microphone mounted on the camera. i had been a film sound recordist for 25 years, and even with stereo, i preferred a stable sound image for a whole scene, without shifting with the camera. i told them what i think, but they still plan to use an A format microphone on camera! umashankar
i have published my poems. read (or buy) at http://stores.lulu.com/umashankar > Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 03:55:55 +0100 > From: st...@mail.telepac.pt > To: sursound@music.vt.edu > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale > > Richard Dobson wrote: > > >> > >> Should that be a surprise ? If as a composer you are used to just > >> placing a speaker in the right place when you want a particular > >> sound to come from a certain direction in a concert, would you be > >> impressed by the performance of first order Ambisonics ? > > > > > > Yes! I still am. Even on the bare minimum four speakers. I remember > > being impressed by it many years ago (eng. John Whiting, for Electric > > Phoenix). I think it is high time first-order was re-evaluated, in a > > more, um, "realistic" way. Let the question be, not how many speakers > > you can justify, but how few you can manage with. > > > Very probably you ae right, but this will happen in a wider context. > > >> > >> The simple fact is that 1st order AMB has no chance against 5.1. For the > >> applications that are wanted by the mass consumer market, 5.1 actually > >> works and delivers better results than 1st order AMB ever could. > >> > > > > > > I seem to recall a certain patent was taken out a while back > > specifically to enable B-format to be rendered over 5.1. Not ideal, by > > any means, but ~possible~. And it ~would~ improve the vast majority of > > film soundtracks, most of which do pretty rubbish > > quasi-spatialization, where they bother at all. > > > 5.1 is basically stereo with center channel (impotant in cinema use, > because it centers the voice to the screen), and two "envelope" channels. > > It is not a perfect surround system, but it does what it is supposed to do. > > Considering the distribution of spectators in a typical cinema, B format > doesn't "improve" on 5.1, even less with "4 speakers". 4 speakers might > work at home, for one or two listeners. > (Sometimes it actually doesn't work, depending on room acoustics etc.) > > > > And it ~would~ improve the vast majority of film soundtracks, most of > > which do pretty rubbish quasi-spatialization, where they bother at all. > > > But maybe it is not all about "spatialization", even if we speak about > surround sound? I don't want to get too polemic here, but the most > important factors for film audio seems to be that you can understand the > actors even at soft levels, and that any music sounds well... > > Few film fans would analyze if you can here that a sound comes from say > "170º back-right". 5.1 might not deliver this, but luckily the average > cineast doesn't know this... > > It is fair to say that 1st order AMB is good (or "good enough"?) for > some things, but it is not "perfect surround sound forever". Some people > on this list are actually using 2nd/3rd and higher order Ambisonics, and > I think that any good standard should consider different > applications/requirements. > > Frankly, if .AMB format includes B format (1st order), I don't see any > fundamental conflict < at all >. > > > Best, > > Stefan Schreiber > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20110501/fc3a71c3/attachment.html> > _______________________________________________ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20110501/03ebbfd9/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
