Re: [Sursound] 4 D sound (!)

Dave Hunt Wed, 05 Mar 2014 12:00:28 -0800

Hi,

Very confusing this "dimension" business. Yes, sound always takesplace in time. So does everything else. But `"space" has 3Dimplications. "Spacetime" is described in wikipedia as "anymathematical model that combines space and time into a singleinterwoven continuum".

This seems to describe completely what we're considering, but assound means time "3D sound" is accurate and adequate. Unless 4D soundis drawing on bits of string theory, and possibly extendable to 11D,or includes some other sense (smellosound ??) it is just marketing hype.


Ciao,

Dave

   1. 4 D sound (!) (Dave Malham)
   2. Re: 4 D sound (!) (Ronald C.F. Antony)
   3. Re: 4 D sound (!) (Dave Malham)
   4. Re: 4 D sound (!) (Eero Aro)
   5. Re: 4 D sound (!) (Michael Chapman)
   6. Re: 4 D sound (!) (Augustine Leudar)
   7. Re: 4 D sound (!) (Ronald C.F. Antony)
   8. Re: 4 D sound (!) (Dave Malham)
   9. Re: 4 D sound (!) (umashankar manthravadi)
  10. Re: 4 D sound (!) (Michael Chapman)

From: Dave Malham <dave.mal...@york.ac.uk>
Date: 5 March 2014 10:58:33 GMT
To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu>
Subject: [Sursound] 4 D sound (!)
Reply-To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu>


And now, 4-D sound
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2014/03/full-immersion-audio-artists-explore-4dsound-spatial-grid-omni-speakers-ableton-max-lemur/
X, Y, Z  and.......

      Dave

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From: "Ronald C.F. Antony" <r...@cubiculum.com>
Date: 5 March 2014 11:08:56 GMT
To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu>
Subject: Re: [Sursound] 4 D sound (!)
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On 5 Mar 2014, at 11:58, Dave Malham <dave.mal...@york.ac.uk> wrote:
And now, 4-D sound
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2014/03/full-immersion-audio-artists-explore-4dsound-spatial-grid-omni-speakers-ableton-max-lemur/
X, Y, Z  and.......
Time, it's 3-D sound in Space-Time ;)

Ronald



From: Dave Malham <dave.mal...@york.ac.uk>
Date: 5 March 2014 11:42:30 GMT
To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu>
Subject: Re: [Sursound] 4 D sound (!)
Reply-To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu>
Ah, but if that's the case, mono is 2-D sound, stereo is 3-Dsound........
 :-)


On 5 March 2014 11:08, Ronald C.F. Antony <r...@cubiculum.com> wrote:
On 5 Mar 2014, at 11:58, Dave Malham <dave.mal...@york.ac.uk> wrote:
And now, 4-D sound
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2014/03/full-immersion-audio-artists-explore-4dsound-spatial-grid-omni-speakers-ableton-max-lemur/
X, Y, Z  and.......
Time, it's 3-D sound in Space-Time ;)

Ronald
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From: Eero Aro <eero....@dlc.fi>
Date: 5 March 2014 11:53:12 GMT
To: sursound@music.vt.edu
Subject: Re: [Sursound] 4 D sound (!)
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Nah

With my Serious Bloke hat on:

Mono is 0,5 D sound. Distance and depth in front of the listener.
Stereo is 1,5 D sound. Left-Right / distance and depth in front ofthe listener.
Pantophonics is 2D. Front-Back, Left-Right.
Periphonics is 3D. Front-Back, Left-Right, Up-Down. (Binaural also,if it would work.)
Eero

5.3.2014 13:42, Dave Malham kirjoitti:
Ah, but if that's the case, mono is 2-D sound, stereo is 3-Dsound........
  :-)


On 5 March 2014 11:08, Ronald C.F. Antony <r...@cubiculum.com> wrote:
On 5 Mar 2014, at 11:58, Dave Malham <dave.mal...@york.ac.uk> wrote:
And now, 4-D sound
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2014/03/full-immersion-audio-artists-explore-4dsound-spatial-grid-omni-speakers-ableton-max-lemur/
X, Y, Z  and.......
Time, it's 3-D sound in Space-Time ;)

Ronald
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From: "Michael Chapman" <s...@mchapman.com>
Date: 5 March 2014 12:05:02 GMT
To: "Surround Sound discussion group" <sursound@music.vt.edu>
Subject: Re: [Sursound] 4 D sound (!)
Reply-To: s...@mchapman.com, Surround Sound discussion group<sursound@music.vt.edu>
And now, 4-D sound
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2014/03/full-immersion-audio-artists-explore-4dsound-spatial-grid-omni-speakers-ableton-max-lemur/
X, Y, Z  and.......

      Dave
Excellent, I've always liked the concept of kiosk/cabin (as intelephone)
individual immersion audio.

... I am presuming that "4DSOUND is a unique installation, 256 square
meters" is a typo for '4DSOUND is a unique installation, 256hypercubic
metres' ... which gives a space of 4m x 4m x 4m x 4m.

Michael








From: Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com>
Date: 5 March 2014 12:16:21 GMT
To: s...@mchapman.com, Surround Sound discussion group<sursound@music.vt.edu>
Subject: Re: [Sursound] 4 D sound (!)
Reply-To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu>
I refuse to be outgimmicked, I am pioneering 5 d sound as wespeak.......
On 5 March 2014 12:05, Michael Chapman <s...@mchapman.com> wrote:
And now, 4-D sound
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2014/03/full-immersion-audio-artists-explore-4dsound-spatial-grid-omni-speakers-ableton-max-lemur/
X, Y, Z  and.......

      Dave
Excellent, I've always liked the concept of kiosk/cabin (as intelephone)
individual immersion audio.

... I am presuming that "4DSOUND is a unique installation, 256 square
meters" is a typo for '4DSOUND is a unique installation, 256hypercubic
metres' ... which gives a space of 4m x 4m x 4m x 4m.

Michael




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From: "Ronald C.F. Antony" <r...@cubiculum.com>
Date: 5 March 2014 12:30:19 GMT
To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu>
Subject: Re: [Sursound] 4 D sound (!)
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There is no sound without time, so time being a dimension shouldstrictly speaking always result in a +1 on the dimension count fromtraditional accounting...
Ronald

On 5 Mar 2014, at 12:53, Eero Aro <eero....@dlc.fi> wrote:
Nah

With my Serious Bloke hat on:

Mono is 0,5 D sound. Distance and depth in front of the listener.
Stereo is 1,5 D sound. Left-Right / distance and depth in front ofthe listener.
Pantophonics is 2D. Front-Back, Left-Right.
Periphonics is 3D. Front-Back, Left-Right, Up-Down. (Binauralalso, if it would work.)
Eero

5.3.2014 13:42, Dave Malham kirjoitti:
Ah, but if that's the case, mono is 2-D sound, stereo is 3-Dsound........
:-)
On 5 March 2014 11:08, Ronald C.F. Antony <r...@cubiculum.com>wrote:
On 5 Mar 2014, at 11:58, Dave Malham <dave.mal...@york.ac.uk>wrote:
And now, 4-D sound
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2014/03/full-immersion-audio-artists-explore-4dsound-spatial-grid-omni-speakers-ableton-max-lemur/
X, Y, Z  and.......
Time, it's 3-D sound in Space-Time ;)

Ronald
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From: Dave Malham <dave.mal...@york.ac.uk>
Date: 5 March 2014 12:36:13 GMT
To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu>
Subject: Re: [Sursound] 4 D sound (!)
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My point exactly [?]


On 5 March 2014 12:30, Ronald C.F. Antony <r...@cubiculum.com> wrote:
There is no sound without time, so time being a dimension shouldstrictlyspeaking always result in a +1 on the dimension count fromtraditional
accounting...

Ronald

On 5 Mar 2014, at 12:53, Eero Aro <eero....@dlc.fi> wrote:
Nah

With my Serious Bloke hat on:

Mono is 0,5 D sound. Distance and depth in front of the listener.
Stereo is 1,5 D sound. Left-Right / distance and depth in frontof the
listener.
Pantophonics is 2D. Front-Back, Left-Right.
Periphonics is 3D. Front-Back, Left-Right, Up-Down. (Binauralalso, if
it would work.)
Eero

5.3.2014 13:42, Dave Malham kirjoitti:
Ah, but if that's the case, mono is 2-D sound, stereo is 3-D
sound........
:-)
On 5 March 2014 11:08, Ronald C.F. Antony <r...@cubiculum.com>wrote:
On 5 Mar 2014, at 11:58, Dave Malham <dave.mal...@york.ac.uk>wrote:
And now, 4-D sound
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2014/03/full-immersion-audio-artists-explore-4dsound-spatial-grid-omni-speakers-ableton-max-lemur/
X, Y, Z  and.......
Time, it's 3-D sound in Space-Time ;)

Ronald
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From: umashankar manthravadi <umasha...@hotmail.com>
Date: 5 March 2014 12:40:13 GMT
To: "sursound@music.vt.edu" <sursound@music.vt.edu>
Subject: Re: [Sursound] 4 D sound (!)
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can we turn sound into matter? we can then have a whole new rangeof wmds (apart from a street in old delhi which sells objectscontributing to about 6 db of the total noise in India). I think weshould stop upping numbers and up the alphabet part instead. like4E. why not?
umashankar
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 12:36:13 +0000
From: dave.mal...@york.ac.uk
To: sursound@music.vt.edu
Subject: Re: [Sursound] 4 D sound (!)

My point exactly [?]


On 5 March 2014 12:30, Ronald C.F. Antony <r...@cubiculum.com> wrote:
There is no sound without time, so time being a dimension shouldstrictlyspeaking always result in a +1 on the dimension count fromtraditional
accounting...

Ronald

On 5 Mar 2014, at 12:53, Eero Aro <eero....@dlc.fi> wrote:
Nah

With my Serious Bloke hat on:

Mono is 0,5 D sound. Distance and depth in front of the listener.
Stereo is 1,5 D sound. Left-Right / distance and depth in frontof the
listener.
Pantophonics is 2D. Front-Back, Left-Right.
Periphonics is 3D. Front-Back, Left-Right, Up-Down. (Binauralalso, if
it would work.)
Eero

5.3.2014 13:42, Dave Malham kirjoitti:
Ah, but if that's the case, mono is 2-D sound, stereo is 3-D
sound........
:-)
On 5 March 2014 11:08, Ronald C.F. Antony <r...@cubiculum.com>wrote:
On 5 Mar 2014, at 11:58, Dave Malham <dave.mal...@york.ac.uk>wrote:
And now, 4-D sound
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2014/03/full-immersion-audio-artists-explore-4dsound-spatial-grid-omni-speakers-ableton-max-lemur/
X, Y, Z  and.......
Time, it's 3-D sound in Space-Time ;)

Ronald
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From: "Michael Chapman" <s...@mchapman.com>
Date: 5 March 2014 12:49:33 GMT
To: "Surround Sound discussion group" <sursound@music.vt.edu>
Subject: Re: [Sursound] 4 D sound (!)
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There is no sound without time, so time being a dimension shouldstrictlyspeaking always result in a +1 on the dimension count fromtraditional
accounting...

Ronald
Following Eero's notation, surely we should add + 0.5 D
.  .  .   unless we can move back in time


Mind you some days I feel my 'progress' in time is not uniform but has
some waveform 'mixed' with it ...


Michael
On 5 Mar 2014, at 12:53, Eero Aro <eero....@dlc.fi> wrote:
Nah

With my Serious Bloke hat on:

Mono is 0,5 D sound. Distance and depth in front of the listener.
Stereo is 1,5 D sound. Left-Right / distance and depth in frontof the
listener.

Pantophonics is 2D. Front-Back, Left-Right.
Periphonics is 3D. Front-Back, Left-Right, Up-Down. (Binauralalso, if
it would work.)

Eero

5.3.2014 13:42, Dave Malham kirjoitti:
Ah, but if that's the case, mono is 2-D sound, stereo is 3-D
sound........
:-)
On 5 March 2014 11:08, Ronald C.F. Antony <r...@cubiculum.com>wrote:
On 5 Mar 2014, at 11:58, Dave Malham <dave.mal...@york.ac.uk>wrote:
And now, 4-D sound
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2014/03/full-immersion-audio-artists-explore-4dsound-spatial-grid-omni-speakers-ableton-max-lemur/
X, Y, Z  and.......
Time, it's 3-D sound in Space-Time ;)

Ronald
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