There are 13 messages totalling 518 lines in this issue. Topics of the week: 1. Caldera's position on GEM 2. DR-DOS 7.02..."I like it" 3. See Lynx for yourself 4. PAP vs. standard login script 5. DOS & JAVA alert 6. PKZip 2.50 for DOS 7. cdrom (4) 8. Mouse driver 9. Cutting and Pasting in dos (2) To unsubscribe from SURVPC send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe SURVPC in the body of the message. Also, trim this footer from any quoted replies.
Hi. Well, sorry if this will come out alittle bit long, but since SurvPC started to discuss about a matter almost same to whats going on at the Caldera DR-DOS list, I decided to forward here 2 of what I concider to be key letters which could help clearing up a few things, and could really help the discussion. 1. ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: Tim Bird Subj: Caldera's position on GEM I understand people's frustration with Caldera's decision not to pursue GEM development. We have nothing against GEM, but simply do not have the resources to pursue this, in addition to the work we are doing with DR-DOS and WebSpyder in the embedded market. I will try, in the next management meeting I attend, to see what I can do in terms of loosening up the licensing restrictions on GEM. I will need to review what, if any, revenues Caldera Thin Clients is receiving from GEM OEMs, and how that revenue would be affected by a different license. I would like to say that I'll be successful in making GEM more freely available (so that even if we don't do anything with it, other interested parties can), but I just don't know if that's the case. Please don't get your hopes up. Has anyone looked at a possible marriage of GEM and Allegro? Allegro is the 32-bit graphics library used by WebSpyder (with DJGPP). My understanding is that it originally derived from GEM on Atari, with significant modifications over the years for the PC architecture. I know quite a bit about Allegro, but not much about GEM. I assume GEM has a window manager and other desktop-oriented features. If these could be glued to Allegro (which lacks such features), it would make a potent combination. Anyway, I don't officially speak for the company, and I've gotten in trouble by opening my yap before on this list, but I will try to see what, if anything, I can do internally to help. Tim Bird 2. ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: David Given Subj: Re: Caldera's position on GEM [...] >Has anyone looked at a possible marriage of GEM and Allegro? Allegro is > >the 32-bit graphics library used by WebSpyder (with DJGPP). My >understanding >is that it originally derived from GEM on Atari, with significant >modifications over >the years for the PC architecture. I know quite a bit about Allegro, >but not much about GEM. I assume GEM has a window manager and other >desktop-oriented >features. If these could be glued to Allegro (which lacks such >features), it would >make a potent combination. [...] The problem with GEM is that internally it's a right mess. Partly this is because it was designed for really small machines and they had to save space where they could; mostly it's because the state-of-the-art in API's wasn't very sophisticated. It's a pig to program and is very limited. If you were going to write a window management system for Allegro, you'd probably be far better off starting from scratch, in C++, and produce something that looked the same but worked differently. Porting GEM itself would most likely be more trouble than it's worth. Also, GEM is written in 16-bit real-mode code and Allegro is in 32-bit protected mode code. Take a look at the GEM DJGPP bindings if you want to see how difficult it is to make one call the other. ------- End of Forwarded messages ------- Well, these were the key messages. Now here is my little contribution to this discussion. I'm quite a newbie in programming, but from my understanding it seems like a free window manager for Allegro is needed, and could be a great contribution to DJGPP, Allegro, and DOS software development in general. Now the only problem would be to actually do it. I decided to try and find several C++ programmers in my area and present the idea to them. I'm not so sure how to find them (and if they will listen to me - most people here program for windows and dream to work at Microsoft), but I will try, and I was just wandering if other people but me can do the same. The only way that a software can actually come to be is by getting something done about it. and Well, I decided to do something. I'm not a good programmer but I will still try to do something in the areas I do know about. And I just hope I am not going to be the only one... Or Botton [EMAIL PROTECTED] - "Truth is stranger than fiction, because fiction has to make sense." ----------------------------- http://members.xoom.com/dsdp/
so now, what then about that "security.bin" - is it safe to delete it ? (if you don't want to password-protect disks at all ?) Heimo Claasen / <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> / Brussels 99-01-21 HomePage of ReRead - and much more ==> http://www.inti.be/hammer
I got a question from one of the listers regarding where you could find telnet site offering free access to the web with Lynx. I thought this might interest some others, so here is the URL: http://www.crl.com/~subir/lynx/public_lynx.html This site also offers many additional links for those interested in Lynx. Look at: http://www.crl.com/~subir/lynx.html Lars-Einar Jansson Stockholm, Sweden PS. I went to the computer store today to buy a keyboard adapter, and I found they were selling a mouse named Lynx...
My ISP offers login via PAP, Password Authentication Protocol. With it, the login process is handled by the "packet driver", which in my case is Antonio Lopez Molero's DOSPPPD. The only advantage I've been able to discover is a somewhat faster login, than when using a login script in terminal mode before starting PPP. Not a small advantage, perhaps. Anyone knows more about the advantages/disadvantages with PAP? Does it offer added security in one way or the other? Lars-Einar Jansson Stockholm, Sweden
Karl: There is interest in the subject of "DOS & JAVA" by users and programmers on the following DOS-based interest group lists: SurvPC Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and Nettamer Digest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hopefully they will drop you an email and let you know what they are thinking about and interested in doing with DOS-JAVA, too Please keep me on your email list for anything you want to think about or are doing with DOS & JAVA. John O Karl Grill wrote: > > Hi! > In the archives, I've seen some (a little) discussion about doing > a DOS/DJGPP port of kaffe (I understand that the guys at transvirtual > are selling a DOS port, but I'd like to have a GPL version). Has > anybody actually tried to do it, and if so, was there any success? > I consider trying it on my own, but I wouldn't like to go about > re-inventing the wheel, so I'd very much appreciate any input > from previous efforts. Also, if anybody would like to participate, > drop me a note. (I'm a little busy right now, so I think I'd start > sometime in March). > so long > kg Karl Grill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Danny: I prefer PKZip because it is reliable and a "known" commodity that is WIDELY used by MANY of my web friends and ALL my customers. Sorta like why bother with another one UNLESS it is 25% better. I give up on these less than 8% performance increases. I just wait a few generations and see what shakes out. John O ----------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:23:38 +1000 From: Danny Keogh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: PKZip 2.50 for DOS Rather than paying large amounts of money to a commercial company for a program whose compression source code is almost freely available from hundreds of sites, why not just download one of the many dos ports of the unix zip and gzip programs? I'm pretty sure www.cdrom.com will have something if you can't find them anywhere else. At 04:17 PM 19/01/99 +0100, you wrote: > Seems that the people at PkWare is not very interested in developing a >new release of PkZip for DOS. I think so since the mails I send them >asking and praying for a version more recent that the latest 2.04g from >1993. > > I propose to all the people interested in having a version of PkZip for >DOS at the level of the UNIX, Windows, ... versions to send an email to >the PkWare boys claiming for this new version. -----------------------------
I am trying to install an internal cdrom drive. There are no suitable plugs on the mother board. There is one on the sbpro 16 and one on a card that has a printer port and the floppy drive plugged in. That one is labelled ide When I plugged in the Acer 6x cdrom to the ide card, my system wouldn't boot, hard disk 0 failure. When I plugged it into the sound card, the win98 boot disk (for installing) couldn't find the cdrom. I changed the jumper on back of the cdrom from master to either of the other two, cable and slave and I could plug it into the ide without interference with the drives, but the win98 still couldn't find it. Likewise with it plugged into the sound card. There are jumpers for irq on the ide card, three rows of pins, two jumpers, one set on first and second row of pins (I forget the irqs) and the other on the second and third rows of pins. would these relate? There are also a row of jumpers and pins,on the ide card, many of them, three rows of pins, most jumpers on 2nd and 3rd row, three of them on 1st and second row, no lable, matched with row of capacitors. Would this relate? After I reinstalled my O/S (via backpack cdrom in the printer port) I tried plugging the acer into the sound card, jumpers left on slave. The operating system (win98) wouldn't boot, the light on the cdrom sat on and everything sat hanging on the startup logo.sys. I haven't tried it with the backpack on LPT1 or gone altogether, and I will, when I have time to disassemble again (damn desktop case). Any other things I can try? bye, Yolanda UIN 4898262 http://members.home.net/pippi5 The first rule of holes: If you are in one, stop digging.
>I changed the jumper on back of the cdrom from master to either of the >other two, cable and slave and I could plug it into the ide without >interference with the drives, but the win98 still couldn't find it. I would recomend using slave. But, if your computer have E-IDE (sometimes refferd to as IDE-2) you should put the CD on a seperate cable since that's much faster, if you're trying to run Winslows 98 you should have this (or preferly a Pentium Pro MMX = Pentium II) I had this problem to, it's becasue the Windows 98 install Disc isn't properly configured (who would have thought that?) Copy the DOS drivers for the CD to the disc and change config.sys so it only tries to load this specific driver (instead of the 5-10 others that didn't help you or me) >Likewise with it plugged into the sound card. This is because the CD often has to be made for that special card (eg. Creative Labs 2-4 X CD to SB16 VE) If there are several places to plug it in you should check what the diffrent are for. Some SB16 cards have Mistumi and 2-3 others (well, the card is .5 meters away but I don't think it's that important) What card do you have? >After I reinstalled my O/S (via backpack cdrom in the printer port) I tried >plugging the acer into the sound card, jumpers left on slave. The >operating system (win98) wouldn't boot, the light on the cdrom sat on and >everything sat hanging on the startup logo.sys. I haven't tried it with >the backpack on LPT1 or gone altogether, and I will, when I have time to >disassemble again (damn desktop case). Probably because you have put the CDs IDE cable in the wrong direction, or something else is grounding the power (eg. screws) or perhaps the CD is broken? Well, I almost never have the case on, it's easier to change things then (I've got 4 HDs and 2 CDs so I really need to.) Also Win98 isn'r the OS, DOS still is (and 98 is just a slower 95 whitch is a slower 3.x whitch is a slower OS/2) ;) Well, actually if someone is using Windows 3.x programs heavily he/she should install OS/2 since it's much faster on Windows 3.x stuff than Windows 3.x is. I find that rather strange but it is. I'm talking about the "Warped" version here. >Any other things I can try? Put the whole PC together outside the case, have helped my twice with two diffrente PCs. >Yolanda //Bernie
Sorry about my question about what ard it was, didn't see that you said it was a SB Pro //Bernie
First off I can't find any place to download Cute Mouse, so a site would be good (I got 1.2 and it feels older than the one I lost) Second I would need some way to always holding the right mouse button (not manually) except when I click the left one. I understand this must sound strange but I just bought "Star Wars: Behind the Magic" and it has a DOS program. However unsoported and it's really strange since it always asumes I click on my left button (holding the right prevents this behavior) It has a few drawbacks (8-bit sound instead of 16 and can't remember my Trivia points) but other than that it's working good. And people say no new products are made for DOS! //Bernie
Hi Mark: Check out this URL: http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/rlgreen/SCREEN.HTM There you'll find a review by Rich Green of a few screen copy and paste programs for DOS. Best regards, Frits >From: "Mark E. Crane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Heeeeyooo. >Does anyone know of a way to cut and paste between open apps >within Dos on, say, a 286 with 1 meg of ram? What I'm >trying to do is bypass the limitations of the way that Lynx >handles form entry--it's kind of unpleasant, especially for >any extended writing. >Many thanks, >Mark Crane Frits Westra -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Net-Tamer V 1.11.2 - Registered
On 1999-01-23 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: >I am trying to install an internal cdrom drive. >There are no suitable plugs on the mother board. There is one on >the sbpro 16 and one on a card that has a printer port and the >floppy drive plugged in. That one is labelled ide >When I plugged in the Acer 6x cdrom to the ide card, my system >wouldn't boot, hard disk 0 failure. When I plugged it into the >sound card, the win98 boot disk (for installing) couldn't find the >cdrom. I changed the jumper on back of the cdrom from master to >either of the other two, cable and slave and I could plug it into >the ide without interference with the drives, but the win98 still >couldn't find it. Likewise with it plugged into the sound card. >There are jumpers for irq on the ide card, three rows of pins, two >jumpers, one set on first and second row of pins (I forget the >irqs) and the other on the second and third rows of pins. would >these relate? There are also a row of jumpers and pins,on the ide >card, many of them, three rows of pins, most jumpers on 2nd and 3rd >row, three of them on 1st and second row, no lable, matched with >row of capacitors. Would this relate? After I reinstalled my O/S >(via backpack cdrom in the printer port) I tried plugging the acer >into the sound card, jumpers left on slave. The operating system >(win98) wouldn't boot, the light on the cdrom sat on and everything >sat hanging on the startup logo.sys. I haven't tried it with the >backpack on LPT1 or gone altogether, and I will, when I have time >to disassemble again (damn desktop case). >Any other things I can try? >bye, >Yolanda >UIN 4898262 >http://members.home.net/pippi5 >The first rule of holes: If you are in one, stop digging. Maybe this will help. The cdrom I have is set to master and conected to the sound card, the cable can be plugged in both ways so you have to make sure pin 1 on the cdrom is conected to pin 1 on the sound card. The cdrom I have uses a driver called sbcd.sys loaded in config.sys, whith a few switches after it. and mscdes.exe loades or is install=mscdex.exe in config.sys or just execute it in autoexec.bat. this works in dos for me, Windows 95 automatically detects it and loads a driver for it. You can take a look at c:\windows\system\iosubsys directory and see what's in ther, it maybe called something else on your system. A friend of mine has good luck setting the cdrom to master and conecting it to the slave conecter on the ide hard drive ribbon. Usually win95 will find it and install drivers or prompt for manufactures disk. Some thing else you want to take a look at is cmos, the cdrom drive may be disabled in there or may not be in there. This cmos cdrom setting doesn't work well whith all drives, you may have to try a different drive and see if it makes a difference. Hope this is help full! Pete Net-Tamer V 1.11.2 - Registered
"Mark E. Crane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Does anyone know of a way to cut and paste between open apps >within Dos on, say, a 286 with 1 meg of ram? What I'm >trying to do is bypass the limitations of the way that Lynx >handles form entry--it's kind of unpleasant, especially for >any extended writing. I use a small TSR utility Snipper for this ( search for snippr26.zip). The taskswitcher Fastflip (fflip218.zip) has cut & paste capability, too. Tibor Mocsar
