There are 25 messages totalling 777 lines in this issue. Topics collected thus far: 1. DOS screen-saver and scanner 2. [Fwd: WooHoo!! PC/XT Unix anyone?] (3) 3. DR-DOS 7.02..."I like it" 4. cdrom 5. Real-time sound (3) 6. Mouse driver 7. GEM and Allegro (2) 8. SURVPC Digest - 22 Jan 1999 to 23 Jan 1999 (#1999-26) 9. Help with an old computer 10. Windows refund campaign (2) 11. Free Autoresponders (3) 12. POP3 vs. IMAP4 (2) 13. micq and windows95 icq 14. formatting cdrom under DOS (2) 15. I'm back! :) To unsubscribe from SURVPC send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe SURVPC in the body of the message. Also, trim this footer from any quoted replies. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 03:44:22 +0300 From: hammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: DOS screen-saver and scanner On the first of Boanne Lorraine's two questions of Sat, 16 Jan 1999: > 1. Is anyone out there running a scanner under DOS? I really want to get > a scanner, but have heard that they aren't writing any DOS drivers for the > new scanners. Does anyone know if this is true? Indeed there seem to be no new scanners on the market delivered to work with DOS any more. They all use TWAIN drivers (thus Win$), and most depend on SCSI, some few use a parallel (printer) port. Earlier generations used "dedicated"/proprietary slot cards to interface a parallel-type output from the scanner, in order to have it work fast enough. You may find some in perfect shape ... but without the card. Their quality is still double that of even high-resolution fax though. Some of these, for instance from Microtek, had a "debugging" feature which allowed for *serial* output -- and that can be easily used with any serial (RS 232) port. I have a handicrafted DOS prog to do that, produces .PCX files easy to use for fax. But it's rather slooooow... (because of both the prog and the serial transmission; could come down from 10+ minutes per A4 page to about 2 to three though, if only I could do that little assembler unit to speed up the bit counting). However that's enough for saving books and magazines from gtting shredded for sheet-feeding a fax machine. Heimo Claasen / <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> / Brussels 99-01-23 HomePage of ReRead - and much more ==> http://www.inti.be/hammer CAUTION! DO NOT LOOK AT LASER WITH REMAINING EYE! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 01:41:28 -0600 From: Russ Blakeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Fwd: WooHoo!! PC/XT Unix anyone?] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0C40CD66DCEC4552FAE9B502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thought a few of you getting into Linux and old pooters might be interested in this post I found on the ClassicComp list. Kinda makes hanging onto that old 8088 desktop or portable a little more desireable for you tinkerers doesn't it? --------------0C40CD66DCEC4552FAE9B502 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from bftoemail22.bigfoot.com (bftoemail22.bigfoot.com [208.156.60.122]) by server2.creative-net.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA01056 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:34:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu ([140.142.56.3]) by bftoemail20.bigfoot.com (Bigfoot Toe Mail v1.0 with message handle 990122_163512_0_bftoemail20_smtp; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:35:12 -0500 for [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id NAA03549; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:28:45 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id NAA33688 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:28:37 -0800 Received: from wilma.widomaker.com (wilma.widomaker.com [204.17.220.5]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.2+UW99.01/8.9.2+UW99.01) with ESMTP id NAA29161 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:28:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from cswiger (helo=localhost) by wilma.widomaker.com with local-smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for [EMAIL PROTECTED] id 103o7x-00002E-00; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:28:29 -0500 Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:28:29 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk From: cswiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: WooHoo!! PC/XT Unix anyone? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: cswiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Spotted this in a Linuxtoday.com article on the latest linux kernel: "On somewhat of a tangent, there is continuing work to support a subset of the Linux kernel on 8086, 8088, 80186, and 80286 machines. This project will never integrate itself with Linux-proper but will provide an alternative Linux-subset operating system for these machines. " Hmmm, I do have *a* 'C' compiler running on one of those Compaq luggables... Chuck [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------0C40CD66DCEC4552FAE9B502-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 02:49:52 +0500 From: "Chad A. Fernandez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: DR-DOS 7.02..."I like it" On 1999-01-23 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: >so now, what then about that "security.bin" - is it safe to delete >it ? (if you don't want to password-protect disks at all ?) I would like to know this too! I try to keep a very tidy HD. My roomates barely know how to turn on a computer, much less read my mail or whatever. If they wanted to "get even" with me about something they would sooner throw the computer off the balconey than try to erase anything, so I don't really need any password protection. Chad A. Fernandez Battle Creek, MI PS: If they ever do anything to my computer there baseball card collection and RedWings stuff is HISTORY!!! Net-Tamer V 1.11.2X - Test Drive ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 02:02:21 -0800 From: Ole Juul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: cdrom Yolanda wrote: > I am trying to install an internal cdrom drive. There are > no suitable plugs on the mother board. There is one on > the sbpro 16 and one on a card that has a printer port and > the floppy drive plugged in. That one is labelled ide If it's an IDE drive then the one on the card might be the one. BTW, there are many interfaces, but the newer ones seem to be mostly IDE. If the drive is not IDE then you need a card that will support that interface. If I remember correctly, my own sbpro 16 has a panasonic interface. In response to the rest of your message, for a CDR interface, you should not have to set any jumpers for IRQ or anything else. The exception is if there is a jumper for changing interfaces (like Sony, Panasonic, Matsumi, etc) but that will usually be clearly labeled. <big snip> > everything sat hanging on the startup logo.sys. I haven't > tried it with the backpack on LPT1 or gone altogether, and > I will, when I have time to disassemble again (damn > desktop case). Probably it would be easier without the backpack. When it comes to taking the lid off your desktop. It is there so people don't meddle with things. What that tells _me_ is that it shouldn't be there in the first place! <VBG> Cheers, Ole Juul ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 06:55:00 -0800 From: "Chris R. Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Real-time sound there was a dos utility i had years ago before the disk crash that did this to .voc and .wav files. it was called B??? something or such.com or .EXE as i cannot remember the name of it now but it was killer! i wish i know where the user who uped it got it. -tkp [<B>http://members.xoom.com/teknopuppy</B>] -On 01/13/1999, "Patrick Coulom tuned the radio for Real-time sound- ---[quoted material follows]--- P>Hi, P> P>I want to know if it`s possible to change the delay, distorsion, treble (or P>any effects) to a sound in format wav in realtime ? If yes, what`s the best P>language (windows98/nt) to do a little sound utility? P> P>If no, do you think that a sound (in any format) can be change in realtime P>(like Rebirth)??? P> P>Thank you, P>Regards, P>Patrick ---[end quoted material]------- --- stare at the moderator, drive him nuts. . . 8) heheheheh *** MYREADER v.2.65g.19990113.r68; Made for Net-Tamer. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 14:52:18 -0500 From: Mike Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Mouse driver > From: Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > First off I can't find any place to download Cute Mouse, so a site would be > good (I got 1.2 and it feels older than the one I lost) Try ftp://ftp.oit.unc.edu/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/incoming/ctmous15.zip >From the web, you can get it via http://www.freedos.org as it is now part of the FREEDOS distribution as well as a separate program. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:51:53 +600 From: "L.D. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: GEM and Allegro I admit I'd never heard of GEM until my oldest mentioned to me as a favorite way back in Atari times. I agree that C is the language of choice to make interfaces and upgrades. However, I disagree *most* strongly about that C being C++. None of the Turbo-C+++ stuff is very portable. It is so touchy that it can even be darned near machine specific. If anyone is going to do anything in C, I strongly urge that you look into Mix Power C -- pure ANSI C which can be used by just about any platform. It doesn't have the "short cuts" of the fancy C packages; consequently you have to program and possibly even set up custom lib files. But because of that, programs written in it aren't nearly as top heavy and bloated as the Borland and other C offerings produce. Just my opinion ... l.d. P.S. How did Caldera acquire GEM? Didn't it go to the feds when they bought out Atari? Just curious ... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:13:49 +1000 From: Stephen Lloyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Real-time sound there is a program I have called plany.exe it will play any file. actually, you could even play an executable file although that'd be rather hard on the ears! but, give it a try. I think it's called plany.exe it comes with nettamer. ---------- > From: Chris R. Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [SURVPC] Real-time sound > Date: Monday, January 25, 1999 12:55 AM > > there was a dos utility i had years ago before the disk crash that did this > to .voc and .wav files. it was called B??? something or such.com or .EXE as > i cannot remember the name of it now but it was killer! i wish i know > where the user who uped it got it. > > -tkp > [<B>http://members.xoom.com/teknopuppy</B>] > -On 01/13/1999, "Patrick Coulom tuned the radio for Real-time sound- > > ---[quoted material follows]--- > P>Hi, > P> > P>I want to know if it`s possible to change the delay, distorsion, treble (or > P>any effects) to a sound in format wav in realtime ? If yes, what`s the best > P>language (windows98/nt) to do a little sound utility? > P> > P>If no, do you think that a sound (in any format) can be change in realtime > P>(like Rebirth)??? > P> > P>Thank you, > P>Regards, > P>Patrick > ---[end quoted material]------- > > > --- stare at the moderator, drive him nuts. . . 8) heheheheh > *** MYREADER v.2.65g.19990113.r68; Made for Net-Tamer. > > To unsubscribe from SURVPC send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > unsubscribe SURVPC in the body of the message. > Also, trim this footer from any quoted replies. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:51:28 -0500 From: Peter Torrano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Fwd: WooHoo!! PC/XT Unix anyone?] Ummm, will do XWin at all? On Sun, 24 Jan 1999, Russ Blakeman wrote: > Thought a few of you getting into Linux and old pooters might be > interested in this post I found on the ClassicComp list. Kinda makes > hanging onto that old 8088 desktop or portable a little more desireable > for you tinkerers doesn't it? > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:59:11 -0500 From: SurvPC List Member <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: SURVPC Digest - 22 Jan 1999 to 23 Jan 1999 (#1999-26) >I am trying to install an internal cdrom drive. >There are no suitable plugs on the mother board. There is one on >the sbpro 16 and one on a card that has a printer port and the >floppy drive plugged in. That one is labelled ide Where is your hard disk connected? To the motherboard, or does the printer/floppy/ide card have two IDE connectors, or is the hard drive something other than IDE? Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 08:05:47 +0000 From: Or Botton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: GEM and Allegro On 24 Jan 99 at 16:51, L.D. Best wrote: > P.S. How did Caldera acquire GEM? Didn't it go to the feds when > they bought out Atari? Just curious ... > Hasbro bought Atari, but until now besides getting the URL http://www.atari.com registered and attacking Atari ROM sites, they did nothing (They once told me (after asking them) that they plan to release some of the more popular Atari games to the PC platform - Though the way I know big Corps, its gonna be Windows only). Digital Research which have originaly created CP/M, DR-DOS, GEM (first for the Atari then to the PC), and other famous products have been bought by Novell around 1993. The original plan was to create an extremly powerfull DOS OS which could do almost everything that Windows 95 can do today, however for some reason it was canceled and the normal development of DR-DOS continued, under the name of NovellDOS. Along with the bought of Digital Research the copyright for GEM, CP/M and else have been included. Around 1996 (1997?) Caldera have bought the copyright for all Digital Research products from Novell, including DR-DOS, GEM, and CP/M. This is how they got hold of DR-DOS and GEM. As for GEM and the court, in the 80's the first version of GEM for the PC was very Mac alike. This is mainly because it was based on the same GUI proto-type: the Xerox Alto. Apple, however, didnt liked the idea of a PC product that looks like their MacOS, so they sued Digital Research in court and won. Digital Research was ordered to remove several items and concepts from the desktop in the intrest of Apple's copyright: the trash can, the "desktop enviroment" like in Windows 95, and the ability to move windows. This has coused the next versions of GEM to be quite uncomfortable. Fortunatly, the GEM version for the Atari was not only Digital Research's, but also of the Atari Corporation. This fact saved the Atari version of GEM from being changed, making it much better and more comfortable from a user interface point of view. Infact, there are some proofs that while designing the Microsoft Windows 95 interface, Microsoft designers used the Atari GEM interface as a base. (they stole the Taskbar, desktop enviroment, and even the idea of the file windows). Thats the story. Hope I helped with some of your historical intrest. Or Botton [EMAIL PROTECTED] - "Truth is stranger than fiction, because fiction has to make sense." ----------------------------- http://members.xoom.com/dsdp/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 08:06:29 +0000 From: Or Botton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Real-time sound On 25 Jan 99 at 9:13, Stephen Lloyd wrote: > there is a program I have called plany.exe > it will play any file. > actually, you could even play an executable file although that'd be rather > hard on the ears! > but, give it a try. I think it's called plany.exe it comes with nettamer. > It also comes with Arachne. And you can use it to make a self playing EXE sound files! Just do: copy plany.exe + soundfile.ext soundfile.exe I used it to turn several AU files into EXE. very cool! Or Botton [EMAIL PROTECTED] - "Truth is stranger than fiction, because fiction has to make sense." ----------------------------- http://members.xoom.com/dsdp/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 08:07:15 +0000 From: Or Botton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Fwd: WooHoo!! PC/XT Unix anyone?] On 24 Jan 99 at 22:51, Peter Torrano wrote: > Ummm, will do XWin at all? > The way I remember XWin on my old 133MHz, it ran in a normal speed. On an XT it will probebly crawl slower then your avarage snail. I would suggest to use monocrom colors to reduce the speed requirements, but I have no idea how much, if at all, it is going to help. Or Botton [EMAIL PROTECTED] - "Truth is stranger than fiction, because fiction has to make sense." ----------------------------- http://members.xoom.com/dsdp/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:35:04 -700 From: Constant Brouerius van Nidek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Help with an old computer My daughter who lives in Holland (Leidschendam) has an old computer, mark unknown. Formaly running with Windows Version 2 or something like that. I would like to have her on the internet but living on the other side of the world (Indonesia) I have some big problems at actually helping her. Is there somebody in the vincinity of my daughter who could have a look at the problem and who could get the dinosaurus running with Nettamer or even Arachne? Practical help would e highly appreciated. Please email me of-list. \\|||// (o) (o) ==========================.oOO==( )==OOo.=============================== Constant Brouerius van Nidek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bogor - Indonesia .oooO Oooo. ===========================( )===( )================================ \ ( ) / \_) (_/ 640k ought to be enough for anybody." - Bill Gates, 1981 Net-Tamer V 1.10 - Registered ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:02:18 +0100 From: Lars-Einar Jansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Windows refund campaign When I checked the homepage of my ISP today, there was a link to "Computer Sweden", a PC-magazine which wrote about the ongoing world- wide campaign to get refunds for unused Windows-packages sold with new computers. They also reported, after having contacted several larger and smaller retailers in Sweden that very few said it was possible to buy a new computer without Windows, referring to their licence agreements with Microsoft. Thought this might be interesting for all you Windows-haters, DOS and Linux-users on this list. Read more about it on: http://www.linuxmall.com/refund and http://www.netcraft.com.au/geoffrey/toshiba.html Lars-Einar Jansson Stockholm, Sweden ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:02:20 +0000 From: Or Botton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Windows refund campaign On 25 Jan 99 at 19:02, Lars-Einar Jansson wrote: > When I checked the homepage of my ISP today, there was a link to > "Computer Sweden", a PC-magazine which wrote about the ongoing world- > wide campaign to get refunds for unused Windows-packages sold with > new computers. They also reported, after having contacted several > larger and smaller retailers in Sweden that very few said it was > possible to buy a new computer without Windows, referring to their > licence agreements with Microsoft. > Yea. I've allready read about it in OSNews (http://www.osnews.com). A site called The Nuddle is orginazing such a campaign. According to OSNews, MS is working on a response to this. I wander what it will be? Or Botton [EMAIL PROTECTED] - "Truth is stranger than fiction, because fiction has to make sense." ----------------------------- http://members.xoom.com/dsdp/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:56:24 +0100 From: Frits Westra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Free Autoresponders Hi all, Check out a these URLs... http://www.myreply.com/ http://www.getresponse.com/ http://www.freeyellow.com/ ..if you want a free autoresponder. Best regards, Frits Westra -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Net-Tamer V 1.11.2 - Registered ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:57:52 +0100 From: Lars-Einar Jansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: POP3 vs. IMAP4 Some time ago there was a rather heated debate on this list regarding the pros and cons of SMTP and POP3 for fetching mail. Recently, there have been some questions on another list I subscribe to, Nettamer, regarding that program's capacity to know whether mail on the server was "new" or "old". One can set it to "get new mail, delete old" and so on. I had a look at RFC 1725, which Eko Priono referred to during the previous debate. This seems to have been updated by RFC 1939, BTW. I couldn't find anything in the POP3 protocol which gave an e-mail client or server the ability to distinguish old from new mail. Until I found out about something called Internet Message Access Protocol, Version 4rev1. IMAP4rev1 for short. This is described in length in RFC 2060 (don't know if this is the most up-to-date version), and has a much more versatile, and complex!, syntax than POP3. You can issue dozens of different commands and get all kinds of information about the mail waiting for you at the server, it seems. You can also do all sorts of things with the mail on the server, including setting up different folders. Because of the complexity, I believe the communication has to be handled automatically by your e-mailclient, if it implements IMAP4. The possibility to connect manually via telnet, as you can do with POP3, doesn't appear to be a working solution. The IMAP4 server can be reached at port 143, vs. port 110 for POP3, BTW. Turned out my ISP had both options, POP3 and IMAP4. Now for some questions from someone who is curious. Does anyone know how common this protocol is, i.e. is it implemented on most mailservers nowadays? What about clients - do you have to have a very recent version of some program for Win 95/98, like Eudora or MS Internet Mail to do all the tricks possible with IMAP4? Are there any DOS clients supporting IMAP4? Has anybody on this list used any of the more exotic options in IMAP4? Lars-Einar Jansson Stockholm, Sweden ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:16:26 +0000 From: Travis Siegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: POP3 vs. IMAP4 Imap is indeed a nice protocol. Unfortunately, most imap servers have bugs in them that gives users access to more than they are supposed to have. As a result, most isps have turned off the imap protocol altogether. There are some programs (including pc-pine) that will handle imap on the dos platform, but having only experimented with pc-pine, I can't comment on the others. Don't think this answers your questions, but hope it contributes to the discussion anyhow. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:08:37 +0000 From: Or Botton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Free Autoresponders On 25 Jan 99 at 20:56, Frits Westra wrote: > Hi all, > > Check out a these URLs... > > ..if you want a free autoresponder. May I ask what is an autoresponder? Or Botton [EMAIL PROTECTED] - "Truth is stranger than fiction, because fiction has to make sense." ----------------------------- http://members.xoom.com/dsdp/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:38:33 -0600 From: Russ Blakeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Free Autoresponders You can set up a canned message that will be sent to the addressee when they worte to the email address of the autoresponder. You could have a price list that people could request through the autoresponder only by sending a blank message to a specific address. Or Botton wrote: > On 25 Jan 99 at 20:56, Frits Westra wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > Check out a these URLs... > > > > ..if you want a free autoresponder. > > May I ask what is an autoresponder? > > Or Botton > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - "Truth is stranger than fiction, because fiction has to make sense." > ----------------------------- > http://members.xoom.com/dsdp/ > > To unsubscribe from SURVPC send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > unsubscribe SURVPC in the body of the message. > Also, trim this footer from any quoted replies. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:51:07 +1000 From: Stephen Lloyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: micq and windows95 icq I tried to get my password sent to me using my icq number that I have configured using micq. It says the registered email address is not valid and they cannot send the password. What's going on I would like my existing icq number removed. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:36:59 +0700 From: Antonio Quatraro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: formatting cdrom under DOS Hello listers, I have a new read/write cdrom. I use DAO under DOS. The question is: how can I format my cdrom? Any help appreciated Antonio Quatraro ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 02:38:40 +0000 From: Travis Siegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: formatting cdrom under DOS A cd-rom isn't like a hard drive. You don't format the cd-r disc then write to it, you use the software to do the formatting as it writes the information. Dao (which I registered myself) is an excellent package, and to my knowledge, the only one under dos that handles writeable cd-r drives. But in any case, the dao utilities (did you get the freeware utilities too?) will handle the writing of the data, including formatting of the cd when you write the information to them. Be sure to read all the documentation that came with the programs, so you can avoid making your first few discs into coasters. If you have troubles with them, drop a line privately, and I'll assist you in their use. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:21:21 +0700 From: Eko Priono <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: I'm back! :) Hi all, Finally got link to the internet again today... Well, actually to Wasantara.Net's extranet as well. My city's node was isolated for several days due to vsat trouble. The only access last week was Mojokerto-only email plus one local website. Virtually no access at all <g>. Yeah I knew, not so reliable for a list owner. But this is the only ISP in town; so I have no choice, at least not locally. Guess it's time to find new co-listowner(s) for this list ? Anyone interested ? ;) I might loose some incoming emails as well. There are only over 800 mails held at the mailgate since 01/16 (probably more, still transmitting some old batches). So if you have no response from me in two or three days, please resend your message. Thanks in advance. --Eko http://come.to/survpc ------------------------------ End of SURVPC Digest - 23 Jan 1999 to 26 Jan 1999 - Unfinished **************************************************************
