Amen!

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Sarah Gagnon <
[email protected]> wrote:

> True enough this, but Karl has a good point. It does matter how much
> energy is used to construct the building. Our choices of construction
> materials and techniques would be better informed if we taxed fossil
> carbon. The hidden energy both embodied and used in production would then
> be reflected in the price of materials and the cost of their assembly into
> buildings.
>
> Joel
>
>
> On 6/23/2016 12:37 PM, Christian Nielsen-Palacios wrote:
>
> While we could and should aspire to do more (restorative design, etc.),
> building NET-ZERO buildings is a laudable achievement.  And I don't think
> the definition is deceptive.  Such buildings DO produce as much energy as
> they consume (after they are built, or they wouldn't be "a building").
>
> Christian
>
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Regi Teasley <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you for these responses.
>> Yes, "net-zero" should include the lifecycle energy requirements.  But
>> then, our beef is probably not with Ecovillage which aims for energy
>> conservation.  Half a loaf...etc.
>>
>> Of course all these efforts are coming about forty years too late and,
>> God bless him, Jimmy Carter was right.  Still, what are we to do?
>>
>> I say we make every feasible effort to develop better ways of living on
>> our beloved planet and learn as we go.  Our grandchildren deserve no less.
>> Nature will sort out what, if anything, works.
>>
>> That's my two bits.
>>
>> Regi
>> "Love the animals, love the plants, love everything. If you love
>> everything, you will perceive the divine mystery in things."  Dostoyevsky.
>>
>>
>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 11:42 AM, Thomas Shelley < <[email protected]>
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, Karl.  This is a great response.  Even those promoting the
>> "net-zero-energy" concept are clueless re embodied energy in their fancy,
>> high-end homes and life-styles in general.    We are going to hell in a
>> hand basket, as Dad used to say.  I hope all is well up North.  All is well
>> here and getting better.  My wife and I just sold our Collegetown rental
>> property which is a great relief as it was a real stone about the leg.  I
>> now have a lot more time for gardening and art work and things I have been
>> putting off for years.  I still have in mind to write a TCLocal-style
>> article on embodied energy.  Perhaps I will have time to do this now, as
>> well.  Take care.   Tom
>> On 6/22/2016 1:31 PM,  S North wrote:
>>
>>
>> ​To describe houses like the Ecovillage one pictured in the article as
>> "net-zero-energy" is a gross deception of the public because it does not
>> begin to account for the full life cycle fossil energy costs involved,
>> which are huge. ​I have designed and currently live in a house that
>> incorporates most of the elements of the Ecovillage house, but I have
>> studied the full-scale energy costs, not only to me but to society, so I
>> have no illusions about such housing, unlike many who are being duped by
>> people who claim such houses will help save the planet.
>>
>>
>
>
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