If done right that could be a really cool machine.. By using 4 9 inch motors
some serious horsepower could be obtained. I would like to see some math
done in the area of amperage use at say 70 mph, and then at a 5% grade..
Such research would be necessary to figure what kind of fancy generator and
how much horsepower it would take to run it to keep a vehicle going on
longer trips.. I really liked the hybrid that concept that used a small
flash boiler and steam turbine in place of an engine.. It could burn any
liquid fuel to run the turbine and I think they had it really compact. Lot
less complexity in parts not to mention savings in weight. Again research to
design the best small turbine and nozzle design..
--Bryan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <biofuel@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 7:36 PM
Subject: [biofuel] Re: half brained idea
> May I make a proposal? Let's go back to Steve's original
> "half-brained" idea ("biodiesel65" is Steve Spence, by the way, in
> one of his several current email personas).
>
> Steve, if I read you right, you're thinking of a biodiesel demo? In
> which case, I think it's a helluva good idea. The ethanol guys have
> their dragsters and Indi 500 and so on, biodiesel could really use
> something comparable and there's nothing right now.
>
> So let's start again. Steve, please get the other half of your rather
> excellent brain in gear (or Powertrain or whatever!) and develop the
> idea a bit. And you guys, let's re-angle it: first, to hell with what
> it'll cost. What would be the BEST way of doing it? How would you
> rework Steve's original 4 wheel drive diesel pickup into a
> diesel-electric hybrid burning biodiesel that would blow everything
> else off the track? Keep it practical, don't specify wondrous
> components that, um, aren't quite available yet, but soon... Stuff
> that's gettable. Let's make a dream-machine!
>
> There are some real diesel geniuses on this list, I hope this idea
> quirks your interest.
>
> Keith Addison
> Journey to Forever
> Handmade Projects
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>
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> had a interesting thought to promote biodiesel. take a 4 wheel drive
> diesel pickup. remove tranny and replace with high wattage alternator
> (perm mag generator?). mount electric motors on all wheels. fill bed
> of pickup with batteries, fill her up with biodiesel and go drag
> racing. a biofuelie lead sled!
>
>
> jerry dycus wrote:
>
> It's been done by the army. They took a Humvee and did exactly that.
> Most new military vehicles in the future will be this way. They see
> them as mobile gens too. Cost $50,000 to do it though to a 4 x 4.
>
>
> Bryan Fullerton wrote:
>
> 50,000? where do you come up with that figure? Please don't quote the
> military pricing.. Allt he parts necessary to do that kind of
> conversion should be available on the net.
>
>
> jerry dycus wrote:
>
> 4 Wheel motors are not cheap. The low speed/ hi torque requirement is
> hard to do. Neither are 4 controllers to run them and the unit to
> make them run together. Then you have a big alt and the curcuits to
> control them. A very large battery pack of AGM or ni-cad batteries.
> The 4 x4 , someone to put it together, ect.
>
> If you want a good 4x4 , 1 motor, 1 controller , flooded batteries
> you can get by for 3k to 10k if you do it yourself. This will not be
> a kick ass 4 x 4 as was requested.
>
> The military paid a lot more than $50,000 for the first humvee that
> way, probably over 1 million. Production ones about $150,000 each.
>
>
> Bryan Fullerton wrote:
>
> I disagree... unless you are getting exotic with your electric
> motors. i.e. thin and nearly as big as the wheel. While these kinds
> of motors are cool I haven't been able to find them since I saw them
> on the net about 3 years ago.. There are ways to do the conversion
> with standard motors made for Electric cars. I have thought of at
> least 3 different ways to do it and my problem has been deciding
> which way to go. If you've a source for those fancy motors.. mind
> indulging me? thanks
>
>
> jerry dycus wrote:
>
> All wheel motors I know of are custom made. This drives the price
> thru the roof.
>
> Personally I don't see why people need a 4000+ lb vehicle to move 1
> or 2 people around. What we need are smaller biodiesel and electric
> vehicles not larger.
>
> If I was building a kick ass 4x4 I'd leave the diesel in place and
> run it on biodiesel to the rear wheels and a 9" ADC motor , DCP 1200
> controller and 192 volt pack of Optima yellow top batts to the front
> axle.
>
> Less work, but still costs 10k to 15k. A 4 wheel motor system is this
> 1 motor system times 4. Gets to 50 k quickly.
>
> I'm currently building a 3 wheeled Ev car and planning to produce a
> composite enclosed 2 seat sport wagon with 2 wheels in front. I'm
> painfully aware of what things cost. Try bringing in a low production
> car to market you find out about prices fast.
>
> I'm good at keeping cost down so if you send me off list your vehicle
> model, preferably a light one, it's mission ie off road, commute,
> ect? and other details I could point you in the right place.
>
>
>
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