>Keith replied: > > >We share this position. > > > >Somehow I doubt it. > > >This is what I don't get - there's a point of view here, a > >perception, an angle, that I just can't see. It's obviously very > >emotive and divisive, and it seems to make it difficult to see the > >thing itself, shorn of its (political?) implications. Or am I the > >only one who gets gobsmacked when someone tells the list global > >warming is a Marxist plot to deprive Americans of their private > >property? (Or something like that.) > >Keith, when you invent accusations (or mix up discussion threads?) >and make personal attacks then clearly this discussion has become >futile. Let's just terminate this now and relieve ourselves and >everyone else on this list of this burden. >-- >...Warren Rekow
Hi Warren Sorry, I don't get the "personal attack" bit. I'm still talking about "true believers" and sceptics, the polarisation of the discussion on global warming, and the idea that it's propaganda. Here's your first message: Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:48:48 -0600 Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Climate Change Sheeeesh, how times do change! A few months back I posted a few questions on this list regarding the "selling" of global warming. The true believers on this list responded by giving me a beating, virtually speaking, for daring to question such 'Scientific Truth'. Now it appears that heretics are dominating this list. Most amusing, indeed. ;-) -- ...Warren Rekow Who's "selling" what to whom and why? I asked. And I'm still asking. What is it that I've said that you see as a personal attack? What accusations have I invented? You've done a lot of accusing, accusing parties still unknown of "selling" global warming for their own shadowy ends (still unknown), of disseminating propaganda, for reasons unknown, and more. All this is still unsubstantiated. I "accused" you of - no I didn't accuse you, I *said* you were using emotive terms, the terms of propaganda, and quoted some of the terms concerned. "Accusation" is also such a term. I think you may have misread the bit from my post that you quote above. Do you think it says, or implies, or accuses you of saying it's all a Marxist plot? Because it doesn't, and wasn't intended to. I'm well aware that message wasn't from you. But it does also cloak the issue beneath some sort of shadowy conspiracy, as you do. I said in a previous post: "You say below that you don't think it's a conspiracy, yet here you talk of propaganda that deceives, manipulates and blinds others. This leaves me muddled." You didn't respond to that either. Okay, never mind, let's leave it at that, as you suggest. What we have here then is "selling" sans salesmen, a conspiracy sans conspirators, propaganda sans propagandists, manipulation sans manipulators, deception sans deceivers, and all sans any identifiable aim or goal. :-/ Er, what we actually have here is an immense collaborative scientific study of the planetary climate system and all that pertains to it with the main goal of identifying whether we are changing the climate through our actions and risk damaging the biosphere as a result, a study initiated because of an accumulation of disparate indicators from disparate sources and in disparate disciplines that this may indeed be the case. The evidence thus far revealed is as yet inconclusive - but it clearly establishes the need for caution and the rigorous application of the precautionary principle. We also have government and corporate sectors at which the finger of blame appeared increasingly to point as further findings were uncovered, and these sectors have largely moved from denial to at least a stated acceptance of the risk, if not always an acceptance backed by relevant action. We also have a widespread public awareness of the issue(s) at stake and a growing associated environmental concern, worldwide, along with polarised fringe groups who, for whatever reasons, are either in flat denial or insist that global warming is an established fact. Both of these groups are striving to cloud the issue and their agendas must be open to question. Regards Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
