Ever stop to think about how much more useful this electricity would be if used to charge a battery? Use solar to heat water.
Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Mirror Site http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question > Ken you can also use small wind mills and old car generators. Best rig I've > ever see used 15 gallon plastic tank PVC pipes and one plastic bbl 55 gallon > half full of water with 2nd 30 gallon bbl inverted in the water hydrogen was > allowed to vent under water into bbl on top which floated pressure could be > increased in floating bbl by weighting it. Tygon plastic tube on a float > allowed the gas to be vented or piped to device using (burning) the hydrogen. > Burner was old gas burner for hot water tank got a lot of heat fast great for > Stanley type flash boiler. > > Fred > > ========Original Message======== > Subj: Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Question > Date: 9/15/2001 12:27:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ken) > Reply-to: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > > Hello all, > > then this means that the best way to produce hydrogen would be thru solar > cells. Its like plants using the suns energy to make and store food for a > rainy day. We could do this too and store solar energy to chemical. And > since solar energy from solar cells isnt "volumous" enough for direct > industrial use. This method could be an intermediate. Anyone wanna post > how to build an electrolysis unit for hydrogen production? > > Ken > > At 08:18 PM 9/14/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Hydrogen is generally considered an energy transfer medium. > >You spend 500 kw [for example] converting water to hydrogen, and in a perfect > >system you would get 500 kw out of it. > >Also known as a 1:1 medium > > > >--- Steve W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hello, > >> I am aware that hydrogen combines with oxygen > >> to make water and give off some electricity but > >> where does all this hydrogen come from that we > >> plan to use? I know there is alot out there but > >> it is mostly bound up in water or some other > >> chemical isn't it? It takes energy to free this > >> hydrogen. How much energy does it take and where > >> is this energy going to come from? Will fuel > >> cells really save any greenhouse gases or will a > >> bunch of coal need to be burned to free up the > >> hydrogen? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Steve > >> > >> ===== > >> Steve > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> __________________________________________________ > >> Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? > >> Donate cash, emergency relief information > >> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ > >> > > > > > >===== > >http://devzero.ath.cx/ > >Visit the Systems Information Database > >Have some interesting information? 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