--- Harmon Seaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dana said: > > > In this case I > > offerred my profssional services Gratis or more > > accuratly for the price of accepting primary > > responsability. > > > I can't imagine why YBD would want any help from > you, Dana, after > seeing the irresponsible and damaging statements > you've made about > biodiesel. With friends like you, who needs enemies, > eh? > > And when are you going to answer Keith's request > for proof of those > allegations? I really think you need to either back > up those statements > or publically retract them. > > Harmon,
I have to assume that you mean my statement regarding the likelihood that "the most sloppily made biodiesel is better than the best petrodiesel" is not true and that besides "spewing more crap" into the atmosphere I have to breath the "most sloppily made biodiesel" might also have bad effects on engine longevity. Please note I did not say well made biodiesel does either. I have a very hard time believing that this needs backing up...but here goes. First..so there is no misunderstanding later I do not have any reason to beleive tha YBD has ever produced anthing but the highest quality BD. In fact I believe that YBD has always endeavored to provide its' customers with a square deal including providing to them the best biodiesel they can make at an honest price.This is NOT about YBD!!! That said..... I think we can use Jet Fuel as the example of the best petrodiesel...very expensive kerosene essentially produced to the highest standards. Works equally well in diesels...I know as I have done it in a pinch. Second we have to agree on what the "most sloppily made biodiesel" might be. Hmmm...Lets' say I take WVO containing...ummm... PCBs that some unethical person has tried to dispose of illegally by pouring into the unlocked WVO containers I service. NO. That would be too easy... OK...Lets' assume you are getting just plain old WVO from the local restaurant...and they have decided to begin dumping their grill grease into the fryer oil you pick up for free...but don't bother to tell you. Or maybe they get a really good deal on some fryer oil that turns out to be raw rancid palm oil so they throw that in too. That would be plausible... So you take this WVO of questionable origin and run it through your cobbed together processor but you are not too careful about washing the soaps out or making sure the pH is relatively neutral or allowing it to settle the glycerin out completly...and (since you don't have any standards or quality control) even if it foams a bit and makes the reaction vat shinier than it has ever been before...well...no big thing. After all we KNOW that even really sloppily made BD is better than the best petrodiesel and that it can't harm engines or cause pollution. So you pour this "foamy" batch into the big ol' storage tank and customers run their vehicles on it just like always. You also notice that nearly all of our batches are a bit foamy after that one. OH WELL...it can't hurt anything can it? Meanwhile you discover that you can mix in 50% filtered WVO as a lubricity additive and your own truck runs just fine...since it is summer and the temperature is never below 60*. So... since you're operating at maximum capacity for your equipment and your customers can't get enough you begin to add more and more "lubricity additive" to the big ol tank to help supply keep up with demand. And after a few weeks you notice that your reaction vat is beginning to leak a bit at the fittings and a few of our customers remark that their diesels are smokin' a bit more than they used to and the mileage is not quite as good either. One comes by and says that "he had to have his injection pump replaced and the mechanic said that the corrosion he found was unlike anything he had seen and wondered if he had been putting any additive in his diesel and when he told him that he had been running his truck on home made biodiesel he said I don't know if the warrantee will cover this and sure enough they wanted him to pay for he pump replacement and had notified him the warrantee was null and void and what are YOU going to do about it....." OH-OH....And you tell him to "piss off... cause EVERYONE knows that even the sloppiest made biodiesel won't harm an engine or cause pollution." And a few days after you lose the small claims court suit from that customer because the Evil Govt. Judge won't buy that argument...another customer tells you that "his smokin' turned out to be carboned up rings and he needed a new short block and the dealer told him that his warrantee was void cause he used homemade biodiesel and WHAT are YOU going to do about it".......and you notice that YOUR truck is smokin' a bit more than usual and that the oil level is ...holy cow...2 quarts low in....500 miles!!!!! And YOU wonder WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT cause you NEED that truck to pack up and leave town with what you can because ALL your old customers are sending you summons...and not for small claims court either......and the state revenue department wants to know where the road tax you were supposed to collect is...and the Dept. of weights and measures just called and wanted to see the records on when your last pump test was to determine how much you owe the state cause revenue didn't like the "piss off" answer you gave them and you are wondering if maybe you should have filed your income tax last year...and the year before..and the year before that and your wife just yelled from the kitchen that the sheriff is at the front door and wants to talk to you.. and you yell back to "just sign for the summons like all the other times" and she yells back "He still wants to talk to you" and you notice that there are three or four deputies on your back yard and are about to go tell them to get the "HELL OFFA' MY PROPERTY..when you hear steps suspiciously heavier than your wifes behind your reclining chair..... Really...I am trying to be humorous about this but I have a hard time doing so since COMMERCIALLY producing and selling biodiesel is VERY different from making it for your own personal use. Let's use some common sense here OK? I have seen plenty of warnings on this very list that it is important to not get sloppy at making home brew biodiesel. We all nod our heads when we see some neophyte ask " is it really important to wash the biodiesel or to get a complete transesterification," etc. so why would anyone familiar with what it takes to make biodiesel think that because it is "organic" it is safe no matter how sloppy one is when making it. OHHH...I get it now. Harmon...fess up... you don't actually intend to ever make and sell biodiesel do you? You probably don't ever intend to "fight the Oppressive Government" either...You just intend to encourage others to do it. Hmmmmmmm........everything makes a bit more sense now. As for why YBD would contact me to ask for help after all my "irresponsible and damaging statements...about biodiesel" I supose because they might wish to hear a point of view other than "the evil govt" one that many seem to think will help somehow. I have practical advice from practical experience for practically no coast. I have friends that will tell me when I am on the wrong track even when all the others are encuraging me to "fight, Fight ,FIGHT!". These are not only my best friends...they are an asset I could not survive without. With friends like that I CAN handle my enemys. And Harmon...listen carfully...I am not against Biodiesel because it is bad...I am against bad biodiesel. There is a very important difference in the two statements and if you cannot tell the difference...well...<sigh> Dana __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! 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