I agree with you Jack, in part, though I don't quite know how you see it. > > points. If you are concerned with what shows up on > > google's,etc... > > search engines, then this forum has hidden agendas > > that hurt rather > > than help.
In the vast majority of cases it doesn't matter at all, but I've recently had cause to point that out. But that just led to further arguments and denials and so on that made it worse - ie more questionable archive content for a search engine bot to trawl. A hidden agenda, or just carelessness? Well, it's not a profitable question to pursue at this stage, is it? I'm rather sorry it came up. Not your fault though. Anyway, it did come up, and needs comment. The archives is in fact editable. I have edited it a couple of times, for innocuous reasons, and in fact I have to do so again now, on request, to correct a technical inaccuracy in a member's posting, where he said WVO when he'd meant to say something else. But I'm extremely reluctant to start editing it on this new basis. That it's "difficult not to edit it", as said below, for those reasons, is just nonsense. There's editing, and then there's censorship, different things. I'm a professional editor, among my media hats, and I've fought censorship all my life, and lived under it as imposed by an oppressive regime. This is an unmoderated list, as I've said a couple of times recently. I don't "act as a moderator". That would mean I was vetting messages before releasing them to the list - censorship. I'm well aware there's another meaning to "moderator", but it's a technical term on these lists, as used by Yahoo, so let's not confuse the issue, eh? I have put several members under moderation, for reasons I've recently explained - the unsubscribe-challenged, for instance, who bother us all with their misdirected messages. And trolls, a couple of times. I don't think it's ever come to anything - it was just a precaution, the trolls left, I never actually had to vet any messages. I am the list owner, largely a technical matter to do with running and maintaining the list, but also a matter of taking responsibility, when the list's interests are threatened and need protecting. I don't see any conflict between my role as list owner and that as a list member - when it comes to discussions, I'm on the same basis as anyone else. Pull rank? Give me a break! The only difference I can see is that I post a lot of news items and so on to the list, much more than other members do (though they're more than welcome!), and that's probably or partly because I'm the list owner, with an eye to the archives content as well. I'm afraid I find the following discussion on "editing" and whether or not I have a hidden agenda and what if anything I should be proud of rather odious, and this trawling over what's past and done very ill-considered. Letting sleeping dogs lie would surely have been wiser. This discussion is now closed. This is a list owner's ruling. Please take heed. (Of course that doesn't apply to the WVO-dino bit of it, please feel free.) Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Osaka, Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner Dana Linscott wrote: >Jack, > >I am not sure which category I fit into..ganger or >gangee....So for what it is worth... > >It is difficult for any moderator to not edit the info >on ones own list as it may be attributed to the list >moderator in some way even though it may in fact can >be exactly opposite of the list owners own strongly >held beliefs. I speak from experience. > >It is even more difficult to resist responding >passionately to a list member who has viewpoints that >seem to often directly oppose the list owners. > >In my opinion Keith manages to act as a MODERATOR >rather than a list owner...and I admire him for his >restraint. I also admire(although not near as much) >the list members that may seem to gang up. > >After requesting that personal attacks be directed off >list to me personally I got to see how much restraint >is practiced by even the most..ummm...creative.. >members on the list. Most were pretty restrained...but >there always a few that have the gift >of...umm..exessive passion. > >All in all I do not believe that Keith has any hidden >agenda. It is right there in the open for all to see >and I don't think he should be anything but proud of >it. After all he has provided this forum to promote >biofuels and for the members to share their opinions >about biofuel and in MY opinion the membership >generally acts in a very respectful manner and always >acts with a great deal of restraint. You must take >into consideration that most have very strong beliefs >that are for the most part backed with very good an >logical arguments. many would have "given up" long ago >I think, if they did not passionately believe in what >they share here. > >Please don;t take this as a flame...it is not intended >as one. Just my opinion and no more. > >Having read through that you deserve something more >useful...but I can still offer only my opinion based >on experience. > >I have tried 50/50 WVO/DD and was unimpressed with the >results. I think that if you are doing it to avoid a >two tank heated line system it is a half measure that >will probably work...until it does not. If you live in >an area that always has a minimum temperature of at >least 50*F (I am an American and can't do C/F >conversions) and cannot "inadvertently" drive to a >place with a minimum temperature lower than that a mix >of 50/50 might work just fine indefinitely...but a 2 >tank system would probably still be worth the >time/investment. > >If you give it a try please let us know how it works. > >Have you tried the vegoil yahoogroup? They may also >have some practical experience to share. > >Best of luck, >Dana > >--- turbodiesel_vw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello All, > > > > I have noticed that there is a core group of about > > three to four > > individuals that seem to "gang-up" on individuals > > with differing view > > points. If you are concerned with what shows up on > > google's,etc... > > search engines, then this forum has hidden agendas > > that hurt rather > > than help. > > > > Statements should NOT be taken personally! > > > > Anyway here is the question that I pose: > > > > Has anyone used 50% filtered WVO and 50% > > DinoDiesel?--obviously when > > the the ambient outdoor temp permits so! > > > > What about running 50% Filtered WVO and 50% DD for > > one tank and then > > 50% BD and 50% DD the next...alternating this > > combination? How will > > this work in the long run? > > > > Please Comment!! > > > > > > Jack ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
