My 92 Honda Civic has been doing it for years, that is how I avoided having to have a truck. Kim
AOAR Welch B. wrote: > i did not know that a small car could pull a trailer and not overheat. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 4:02 AM > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] So, You Want to Buy a Green Car ... Or Do You? > > > Hey... > > I just drove a 1986 VW Golf, filled to the brim with biodiesel, hauling a > trailer full of hay and about 400 pounds of boiler parts and got ~44mpg. > > I'll take utility and green over a chick car and green any day....I'm > toooooooo old for chick. > > Just keep praying for acid drought, another Arab oil embargo and $3.50 a > gallon at the pump. > > Todd Swearingen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: steve spence > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 7:22 PM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] So, You Want to Buy a Green Car ... Or Do You? > > > Today I test drove a new vw beetle, turbo diesel. Now this is one fine > automobile. 44mpg isn't shabby either. > > saw diesel today for $1.23 / us gallon. > > > Steve Spence > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > <http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm> > > Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ > <http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/> > Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - > http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/humanpower.htm > <http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/humanpower.htm> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "stewart hyde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 6:32 PM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] So, You Want to Buy a Green Car ... Or Do You? > > > > Agreed My 14 year old Citroen BX turbodesel/GTI hybrid Gets 50 mpg > (Imperial > > 4.55 ltr) and runs beautifilly with rapeseed oil @50% fuel extender > > Stewart from Wales UK where fuel is almost one dollar per litre. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 3:30 AM > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] So, You Want to Buy a Green Car ... Or Do You? > > > > > > > I drove a BMW minicooper yesterday, and although it was cute, I would > not > > > call 33mpg on premium unleaded "clean"......... > > > > > > > > > Steve Spence > > > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > > > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > <http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm> > > > > > > Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ > <http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/> > > > Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - > > > http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/humanpower.htm > <http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/humanpower.htm> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > > > Cc: <biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 9:23 AM > > > Subject: [biofuel] So, You Want to Buy a Green Car ... Or Do You? > > > > > > > > > > http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=12917 > <http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=12917> > > > > AlterNet -- > > > > So, You Want to Buy a Green Car ... Or Do You? > > > > Allie Gottlieb, Metro Silicon Valley > > > > http://www.metroactive.com <http://www.metroactive.com> > > > > April 19, 2002 > > > > > > > > If you're like me, and you are, you want a good, cheap, fast, safe > > > > and cute car that can take you to work and back, and out for fun, on > > > > little or no gas. You also need room to cart around your laptop, > your > > > > nonfat latte, a pal and your four-piece silver-sparkle Ludwig drum > > > > set, which in my case is named Natasha J. Sparky. > > > > > > > > Since we've got so much in common, it makes sense to share > car-search > > > > secrets. I'll start. What I've learned about the latest electric, > > > > hybrid and just plain cuter- or cleaner-than-thou vehicles that you > > > > can buy or lease at this moment there are plenty of choices, > > > > combinations and features. Sorting them all out is confusing but not > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > The ones accessible to me as of presstime were the BMW Mini Cooper, > > > > the Honda Insight, the Honda Civic Hybrid, the Honda Civic GX > > > > natural-gas vehicle, the Toyota Prius, the Toyota Rav4 EV, the > Corbin > > > > Sparrow, the Ford Th!nk, the Ford Ranger EV and the DaimlerChrysler > > > > GEM. > > > > > > > > Idling Politics > > > > > > > > Here's another thing I've learned. Despite all the chatter about > fuel > > > > efficiency from the Legislature lately, and the attempts by various > > > > cities to get their fleets on a greener track, this has been a > > > > slow-going revolution with plenty of setbacks. > > > > > > > > Witness last month's rise and fall of the Corporate Average Fuel > > > > Economy standards: Senator John Kerry's (D-Mass.) proposal to > require > > > > new vehicles to average a respectable 36 mpg of gas by 2015 did a > > > > giant belly flop. SUVs get to be an estimated 25 percent more > > > > polluting than other cars. Gasoline has drivers over an oil barrel, > > > > and so, as they do in any time of war with oil-producing nations, > gas > > > > prices are going up. > > > > > > > > Despite all this, a good clean car is still hard to find. It seems > > > > like we should have evolved more by now. For years, there's been > hope > > > > that cars will become greener in the form of research on cleaner > > > > cars. The web is overflowing with information about "alternative > fuel > > > > vehicles" from the U.S. Department of Energy and agencies like the > > > > Natural Resources Defense Council that push for fuel-efficiency > > > > legislation. > > > > > > > > Car dealers, however, blame the public's disinterest for the > > > > Greenmobile's underwhelming entrance into the market. Almost no one > > > > pays any real attention to environmental ratings when buying a car, > > > > the dealers say. Not like, say, the kind of cup holders it has, or > > > > how the bike rack attaches or that all-important consumer issue: > > > > color. > > > > > > > > And those fuel inefficient SUVs remain hugely popular, regardless of > > > > the fact that they are extraordinarily polluting. According to > > > > GreenerCars.com, SUVs pollute about twice as much as, say, my Civic, > > > > which on average discharges 2 tons a year more carbon dioxide > badness > > > > than the Insight. > > > > > > > > "Although engines in general are becoming more efficient, smoother > > > > and better-performing, the trend toward larger SUVs and pickups has > > > > contributed to the average fuel economy dipping to its lowest point > > > > in more than 20 years," notes Consumer Reports' 2002 auto trends > > > > report. > > > > > > > > So that's the bad news, but there's hope. > > > > > > > > Frankenfans > > > > > > > > Existing green cars have their fans. According to a Department of > > > > Energy report, last year there were nearly 500,000 alternative-fuel > > > > vehicles on the roads in the United States. Of those half-million > > > > cars, 10,400 were electric. > > > > > > > > Consumers dedicate websites to electric cars and half-gas, > > > > half-electric hybrids, or frankencars. One fan posted a diary all > > > > about his 1999 electric Sparrow on the Internet and has kept it up > > > > for three years. Another self-described electric-car enthusiast, > > > > Joseph Lado from Virginia (who doesn't actually drive an electric > > > > car, evidently is dissatisfied with the way they are charged and is > > > > trying to help start a company that sells better ones) summarizes > > > > alternatives to Old Man Combustion. > > > > > > > > "We can manufacture a practical electric car NOW," Lado declares in > a > > > > column he sent out for publication. Lado touts regenerative braking, > > > > used currently by the hybrids to recharge their batteries. He lauds > > > > solar power as another recharging source. Lado seems an appropriate > > > > representation of the electric-car industry. He sounds > > > > half-reasonable, half-kooky. Another recharging idea he lists in his > > > > column is the robot in the driveway: "It's either a robot arm or > some > > > > other mechanical device that automatically pops up and connects your > > > > electric car to a source of electricity (i.e., an outlet)." > > > > > > > > Who's Driving Whom? > > > > > > > > Currently, car manufacturers that distribute in the United States > are > > > > producing cleaner cars. They have to because the Environmental > > > > Protection Agency makes them. By 2003, zero-emission vehicles must > > > > make up 10 percent of each major automaker's stock. However, > > > > manufacturers apparently aren't required to make these cars entirely > > > > available to the public. They only need to meet their quota of > > > > zero-emission vehicles. Then dealers get to decide which cars to > > > > push, and buyers get to pick the ones they want. > > > > > > > > Despite being shoved around by the EPA and CARB, car makers aren't > > > > the innocent babes they might appear to be. They can design > > > > problematic eco-friendly cars. These cars mostly cost too much, > > > > because, industry reps claim, they're more expensive to make. > > > > > > > > Honda sales rep Kevin Brooks estimates that it costs $90 more per > car > > > > for a manufacturer to make a catalytic converter that cleans a car > > > > enough to meet California's "super-ultralow emissions" standard, > > > > rather than just the "ultralow." Manufacturers pass on the higher > > > > cost of making cleaner cars to customers. (You might, too, if you > had > > > > to pay for say 10,000 cleaner cars.) > > > > > > > > The government doles out incentives for green car-buying. California > > > > tries to appeal to drivers' yen to beat traffic with a carpool-lane > > > > exemptions for electric and compressed natural gas (but not hybrid) > > > > vehicles. Drivers can file for an occupancy-exemption sticker from > > > > the Department of Motor Vehicles. The federal and state governments > > > > also try to entice car buyers into the cleaner emissions scene with > > > > thousands of dollars in tax breaks and credits. > > > > > > > > But some of the lower-emission technology, like powerful electric > > > > batteries, is so expensive that the financial incentives seem > > > > meaningless for those unburdened by wealth. For instance, you can > get > > > > $9,000 back after buying the RAV4 EV, but this small SUV costs more > > > > than $42,000! > > > > > > > > Most of the cars I test-drove fall well outside my price range of > > > > $8,000 to $10,001. Most also fell into California's two > > > > least-polluting categories: Super Ultra Low Emissions Vehicle or > Zero > > > > Emissions Vehicle. The Cooper weighs in with ultralow emissions and > > > > boasts the further distinction of being the only stick-shift I > > > > test-drove. > > > > > > > > Yeah I'm Green ... If Green Means Cheap > > > > > > > > Most conversations about fuel efficiency in the news magically turn > > > > into moral debates about the bad people who drive SUVs or the showy > > > > liberals who can afford expensive statement cars. That's kind of > > > > stupid given that, ultimately, cars are practical, > point-A-to-point-B > > > > tools. I think driving an electric car is pretty much like driving a > > > > cell phone: the roaming limitations are highly inconvenient, and > > > > there's always the vague lingering concern that somehow it will give > > > > you cancer. > > > > > > > > When it comes down to it, my concern for the environment pretty much > > > > disappears when I buy a car. Sure, intellectually I'm rooting for > the > > > > ozone layer. But I have to be able to afford a car before I can > drive > > > > it. And it has to work the whole way to my destination. And it must > > > > look cool -- the way the Mini looked when Mary Stuart Masterson > drove > > > > it as Watts (a drummer; everything comes full circle!) in 1987's > > > > smash hit Some Kind of Wonderful. > > > > > > > > Allie Gottlieb writes for the Metro Silicon Valley, where this > > > > article first appeared. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > <http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html> > > > > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > > > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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