Yes, Ken, this is serious; are you? Why are you even online via 
computer, since, according to your own "logic," it must rob you of 
dignity, strength, power, etc., you poor domesticated thing.

Christopher Witmer
Tokyo

Ken wrote:

> this isn't serious, is it?!?  can we now go back to the wild and
> un-domesticate ourselves, let alone our innocent pets, plants etc..   "pets"
> are pathetic , sick abberations of their former selves as we, so lets
> collectively release ALL back to the WILD source to regain dignity,
> strength, power...............all good over here...
> nunativs?!?
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christopher Witmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 6:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [biofuel] Somewhat OT: Animal Waste
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>>For many animals, it's probably not so much a question of whether they
>>could be trained to relieve themselves in a manner convenient for us, so
>>much as one of how much effort it would take to train them. Dogs are
>>creatures of habit; combine that with the fact that dog behavior
>>responds very well to conditioning through rewards and punishments, and
>>it should be no big deal.
>>
>>Trouble is, today "dog training" refers to the process whereby dogs
>>manipulate their owners, not the other way around. Most dog owners don't
>>understand their dogs and thus can't train them. Dogs don't understand
>>their owners either, but in such cases it will be the dog who "wins"
>>(and thus loses) each time. A well trained dog is a happy dog, but he's
>>a *dog* and not the family's coddled baby.
>>
>>Another approach: market fully biodegradable gloves or paper towels (or
>>whatever) that could be used to safely and conveniently *pick up* the
>>doggy treasure, carry it home and pop it into the digester or compost.
>>This type of approach has the advantage of working for any dog
>>regardless of whether it is trained or behaves like a spoiled brat kid.
>>There are products of this type on the market in Japan, and I'll bet
>>they have them in Europe as well. It doesn't seem like there would be
>>much of a market for them in the USA, except perhaps in big city centers
>>like New York.
>>
>>Christopher Witmer
>>Tokyo
>>
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>>>With animals, it's still an open
>>>question as to whether they could be trained, but it would be worth a
>>>try.
>>>
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