>man do i disagree...to a point, i feel suv's are fine, though i agree that >if one is city bound, (you can have it) there is no need for one,
I should have told you I live in Phoenix, AZ where there are few hills, slight chance for snow, even slighter for rain, and a plethora of soccer moms driving Lincoln Navigators to the beauty parlor. Seems like every night I see a story on the news with some kind of either fatal or near-fatal accident between a on-the-phone soccer mom, in what would have been, until recently, considered a tank, and a family in an import, three of which were smashed to smithereens my a vehicle, built for heavy-duty-off-road-trailer-pulling-up-a-mud-wall (now with a car-like suspension, by the way) on it's way to the supermarket. What's really funny (to me) is when two of them collide and the drivers (always alone) are cut in half by the seatbelt as tons of re-enforced-drive-through-the-mountain-not-over-it steel frames refuse to give way. SUVs are dangerous, they pollute, they roll over, they smash families in imports to smithereens, and they're almost always right on my tail. Oh yeah, they raise fuel prices, and insurance rates for the rest of us to boot. You drive an SUV in the city, you might as well be hanging your middle finger out the window yelling, "ME ME ME ME!" Thank you, all of you, for having the courage and wisdom to search for alternate means of transportation. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 8:18 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Trends I see Was: On The Duty of Marketing Biofuels man do i disagree...to a point, i feel suv's are fine, though i agree that if one is city bound, (you can have it) there is no need for one, but even better are heavy duty trucks, personally have a ford f250 4x4. if one lives in the cities or very close to them, then these little electric powered "rat" cars are fine as one is just hurredly scurrying around doing all the domestic tasks living in cities requires, fine... but if one desires to live in the country, forests or whatever, these light fragile cars do not cut it. what i'd like to see, take down the roads to about 1/10 the existing ammount, all 2 lanes, all familys move into 2-400 square foot 5th wheels, trailers, etc. singles could be in truck campers, everyone becomes more hunter gatherer-like in these modern tipees, make the whole earth into one big national park we all share, planting fruits, nuts, oil crops etc., creating an oasis that all can roam and thrive/play in... ooops got carried away..... the average "full-time" rv'er uses a fraction of the resources of the average 2500+ home plus all the cars that go with it, even with their migrating included. guess who has the richer LIFE? its not the size of the vehichles, its how they are being used......... nunativs?!? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:47 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Trends I see Was: On The Duty of Marketing Biofuels > Ok you're right, Honda does have a good track record for producing ULEV > vehicles made from recycled parts, but does the American family really need > another SUV? I guess I'm just sick and tired of them and wish people would > stop buying them. SUVs are not cool, that's the image I would like to see > projected. "There oughtta be a law!" :) > > Cheers, > > Ryan Morgan > Proud owner of a 50 MPG 2002 VW Golf TDI running BD100 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 2:51 AM > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [biofuel] Trends I see Was: On The Duty of Marketing > Biofuels > > > Ryan Morgan wrote: > > >Why the heck did ABC cancel Bill Maher's Politically Incorrect? > > http://www.newtimesla.com/issues/2001-09-27/stewart.html > Crushing a Contrarian 09/27/2001 > > "... Maher says his undoing came at the hands of two shock-jock radio > hosts in Texas who endlessly ran the snippet ("We have been the > cowards!") and whipped their audience into a frenzy. Within a few > hours, the Maher Incident was playing on radio talk shows nationwide > and consumers were besieging Politically Incorrect's commercial > sponsors with demands for a boycott. > > "Very quickly, Sears and Federal Express pulled their sponsorships, > and several Midwest stations suspended his show indefinitely." > > ["We have been the cowards, lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles > away. That's cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the > building, say what you want about it, it's not cowardly."] > > >Anyone notice who sponsored his final show? > > Ben Franklin's ghost? > > >The Honda Pilot SUV! What a slap in the face from corporate America!!! > > ... the "Ultimate Family Adventure Vehicle," - Ultra Low Emissions > Vehicle (ULEV) with excellent fuel economy, constructed with ninety > percent recyclable components. > > Huh... Honda doesn't even bother to say what the excellent fuel > economy is, shows how much they think that matters to US SUV buyers. > Well, not in their main blurb anyway, nor the news puffs. "Family > Adventure Vehicle", LOL! > > But I don't get it, why's it a slap in the face from corporate America? > > Keith > > > >Irony or a message? > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Curtis Sakima [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 7:33 AM > >To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [biofuel] Trends I see Was: On The Duty of Marketing Biofuels > > > > > >Most of the group pretty much understands where I > >stand. So I don't think any severe damage would come > >about by me saying it again. > > > >And that is that I personally think ... that a lot of > >what this WHOLE WORLD is coming down to lately. Is one > >BIG argument of "your morals vs. mine". > > > >And more importantly ... that "there oughta be a LAW" > >... such that "my morals" dictate everyone's life ... > >including YOURS. That "your morals" are "your moral" > >.. yeah,yeah,yeah ... but "my morals" are THE FACTS. > > > >I see the trend. I blame no one in particular. Nobody > >in this group. Nobody in this... or any other country. > >I simply see the trend. Just turn on your local news > >channel... and you'll see it. > > > >I can't really say that "I know" why it is happening. > >Perhaps someone more intellegent than I could explain > >to me why. I don't know why ... but I see it > >happening. And it frightens me sometime. > > > >Curtis > > > > > >--- Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >Dear Edward Beggs, > > > >------snip-------- > > > >I think that we are getting in to a ridiculous > >discussion about your moral verses mine. Nothing that > >anyone of us have the knowledge to discuss. > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. 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