Hakan, I never claimed to be an engineer. I never claimed to be a constrution or materials specialist of any professional type. But that most certainly didn't stop me from taking two years of architectural drafting in the past, nor becoming familiar with run of the mill and energy efficient systems. Nor has it kept me from renovating several dilapidated 100-150 year old homes and several contemporary energy sinks over the years. And it certainly won't stop me from firing up a seed drill and planting enough barley next year to build a couple of 1,500 square foot post and beam/straw bale insert houses.
Who knows...throw in a couple of cisterns, a composting commode, a Uni-Solar roof, a dog and a couple of goats and it might be a right nice place for a bonified "un-professional" to rock back and forth in his middlin to adled years. (I sure hope I can get that rockin' motion to meet code though. Might be kinda' tough without a doctorate in motion mechanics.) Oh...., and no, I don't, or at least have not considered emission factor as a material's abilitity to behave as a radiant barrier. What I would consider emission factor to be is something akin to U-value, a number which reflects the Btu's that are emitted through a 1" thick strata over "x" time. And I was quite serious with what was exchanged. However, it gets a bit old getting slammed without warrant by the supposedly "professional upper crust" every other paragraph, much less being baited with every new thought. I am quite curious though. Are you now saying that I had no reason or rationale for my arguements? That the points made were not valid? Do I also gather that you are saying a "professional" would have the right to be perturbed, but someone "less than" a "professional" shouldn't be bothered by some of your comments? Beats the bejeebers out of me how Sweden has stayed "neutral" for so long if such a pattern of arrogance is predominant in its public personnas. Don't get me entirely wrong Hakan. I'm quite pleased that you and yours have achieved so many notable successes. I am equally as happy that you and yours choose to work on energy issues in a manner that can help reduce fossil fuel consumption. But don't expect me to jump for joy the next time you start casually swinging your "professional" 2 x 4 in a room full of undergrads. As you say, I have neither the time or patience for it, as there are far more important matters that need attention....some of them world shattering. Holler when you're ready to drop the lumber. Todd Swearingen ----- Original Message ----- From: Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 12:57 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Energy Efficiency and "Stuff" in general > > Todd, > > I accept your apology and have no hard feelings. I was afraid that I > overreacted and that you maybe did not realized the that emission factor > was the description of a materials capacity as radiant barrier. If your > paraphrasing mean that you are working with building construction, I am > also sorry that you did not take the opportunity to a more serious > exchange. But I think that you in this case own the whole list an apology, > who falsely identified with you and thought that you had a reason for your > arguments. As a "professional", you really have a reason to feel either > offended or have an urge to learn more, it is your choice. > > About 27 years ago, in an evaluation, our simulation program was sharing > the top position with NASA's program for simulation of climate in space > vehicles. We are now working on an English version, to give away to the > international community. Sweden recognized our impact on energy saving by > giving it the Swedish energy award 1990, with the motivation that it saved > Sweden hundreds of millions annually. We also did the background for the > new Swedish Build Building Code 1978. > > Maybe it could have been of some interest for you, instead you made the > discussion to a "conversacion de Besugos". It is a Spanish proverb for a > non important conversation and Besugos is a very common fish in the > Mediterranean. > > I am not that sensitive, but I am in an age where time becomes very > important and wasting it on useless discussions is less attractive. If you > want to continue off line and on an other footing, you are welcome. > > Hakan > > > At 10:26 PM 9/23/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >Hakan, > > > >Sorry your sensibilities were so taken aback. > > > >But to paraphrase Alfred E. Newman, "Whatever." > > > >The sun's still going to rise tomorrow, with or without humans to > >watch it. > > > >Now....If you will please excuse me while I go back to doing > >those things I couldn't possibly understand. > > > >Todd Swearingen > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: hakan_falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > >Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 8:10 PM > >Subject: [biofuel] Re: Energy Efficiency and "Stuff" in general > > > > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hakan, > > > > > > > > Could you stop circle dancing for a moment? > > > > > > > > To refresh your memory, you first mentioned aluminum as a > > > > possible component of insulative construction. When stated > >that > > > > aluminum's best use was as a radiant barrier, not an > >insulator, > > > > you come back requesting something in the way of "scientific > > > > background" to differentiate whether or not the conclusion > >was > > > > founded upon opinion or something substantial. The R- and > > > > U-values of aluminum (0.00061 and 1642.0 respectively) > > > > substantiate the conclusion. > > > > > > This is exacly what I orignially wrote about aluminium: > > > > > > "If we want to make something better, we have to look for a > >material > > > or mixing with a material that give a significant reduction of > >the > > > emission factor for the wall (like aluminium). Maybe straw with > > > aluminium mixed in the glue (clay traditionally). I think that > > > research should be a little more advanced than only attempt > >with non- > > > traditional materials." > > > > > > I think it cannot be clearer that my intent was to reduce the > > > emission factor, in other words, use it as radiant barrier. > > > > > > I am not prepared to continue a discussion with somebody that > > > deliberately distort and insult me. I take this issues > >seriously, > > > because they are important and improvements in our enegy use, > >any > > > alternative fuels, change of habits and designs to save energy, > >are > > > outmost importance for all of us. > > > > > > As long as a discussion can give something, it has a value. But > >when > > > the part you talk with, have to resort to lies and distortions > >it is > > > no longer a value. > > > > > > End of discussion with Todd Swearingen for my part, let us go > > > further. 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