MM, Thank you, I corrected the percentage. I used the number that somebody said, but did not check it sufficiently. You are right and it fit also better with the other data, now when I checked it. Maybe my population number included Canada as North America, same mistake as when many talks about Europe. Hakan
At 04:47 PM 1/26/2003 -0800, you wrote: >On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 09:14:02 +0100, you wrote: > > > > > > >Hi MM, > > > >Look at, > > > >http://california.energy.saving.nu/ > >California has about 12% of U.S. population (33 million out of 272 >million as of 1999 Almanac Figures), not the "nearly 20%" that you >have in your statement at that top. Even accounting for statistical >messups associated with illegal immigration making the numbers hard to >figure out, I don't think it would come out to nearly 20% (maybe I'm >wrong). Your other research that I've glanced at looks very in-depth, >so I'm sure you had attention to accuracy. > >I'd have to give some thought as to the issues more in-depth, but it's >clear that you've given a lot of attention to the matter. > > > > > > > >especially, > > > >http://energy.saving.nu/california/victim.shtml > > > >and > > > >http://peakdemand.energy.saving.nu/ > >http://fastfixes.energy.saving.nu/ > > > >and you will find some data. > > > >It is quite interesting and you can see what I was pointing out > >earlier. > > > >Hakan > > > > > >At 11:49 PM 1/25/2003 -0800, you wrote: > >>You know, while it may be true that Californians have practiced and > >>studied some good conservation principles, I also think David has a > >>point. Back when I was taking some hard look at America's overall > >>energy usage, home heating oil is a very significant part of that > >>usage. Sometimes the statisticians will break out home heating oil > >>from other statistics because it can tend to skew our understanding. > >> > >>Home heating oil is, I think, not as important in some parts of the > >>country. > >> > >>We do have heating and cooling needs here in San Diego, but it is > >>somewhat a matter of degree and location. By the ocean, it is cooler > >>and one doesn't need A/C as much. Further inland A/C could be more > >>important, it can get *very* hot in some areas, but it is dry here and > >>not like some of the more humid extreme-heat situations. > >> > >>As to energy needs during cool periods, it is important to have heat, > >>but obviously not as important nor as demanding on the energy supply > >>as in a climate that often goes well below freezing, such as one finds > >>in other parts of the country. > >> > >> > >> > >>On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 01:16:48 +0100, you wrote: > >> > >> > > >> >Hi David, > >> > > >> >The fact is that California during many years have a very active > >> >program for saving of energy. This is the reason, because if you > >> >look at other states in US, with similar climate conditions, they > >> >are at average or above average. Of course, a lot is AC in those > >> >states, very much offices. If you look at statistics over the years > >> >and growth, you can clearly see that it is man made savings. > >> > > >> >California is the state that is and has been the most active state > >> >in US, when it comes to energy conservation and pollution. We > >> >had many exchange students and visiting professors from California > >> >in the Swedish universities. > >> > > >> >Still the Californian use twice as much energy as the average Swede. > >> >But they are best in the US after Hawaii, which is definitely determined > >> >by the climate. > >> > > >> >Hakan > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >At 06:55 PM 1/23/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >> >>Re: > >> >>Californians 50% > >> >> > >> >>I don't want to step on a good thing, but is it 50% because of the > climate, > >> >>or 50% because Californians are > >> >>different or more energy conscious? > >> >> > >> >>My gfather lives in San Diego. He almost never has to turn the heat on, > >> >>ever. He only uses AC on the > >> >>hotest of days.. perhaps 5 days if that. > >> >> > >> >>Contrast that to my coast, and its cold cold cold in the winter.. > and hot > >> >>and muggy in the summer where you > >> >>might leave the AC in the car on while you tkae a shower and get > ready for > >> >>your date..lest you get all sweaty before you AC can > >> >>cool your car. <not everyone owns a garage> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>So i dont really like the 50% one.. > >> >> > >> >>on the other hand.. THIS ONE > >> >>http://energy.saving.nu/biofuel-sticker-3.jpg > >> >> > >> >>is absolutely hilarious. and gives you the secondary point of > committing > >> >>suicide on your dependence on the pump. > >> >> > >> >>funny.. :) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >Biofuels at Journey to Forever > >> >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >> >Biofuel at WebConX > >> >http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm > >> >List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: > >> >http://archive.nnytech.net/ > >> >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >Your use of Yahoo! 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