MM,
Thank you, I corrected the percentage. I used the number
that somebody said, but did not check it sufficiently. You
are right and it fit also better with the other data, now when
I checked it. Maybe my population number included Canada
as North America, same mistake as when many talks about
Europe.
Hakan



At 04:47 PM 1/26/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 09:14:02 +0100, you wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Hi MM,
> >
> >Look at,
> >
> >http://california.energy.saving.nu/
>
>California has about 12% of U.S. population (33 million out of 272
>million as of 1999 Almanac Figures), not the "nearly 20%" that you
>have in your statement at that top.  Even accounting for statistical
>messups associated with illegal immigration making the numbers hard to
>figure out, I don't think it would come out to nearly 20% (maybe I'm
>wrong).  Your other research that I've glanced at looks very in-depth,
>so I'm sure you had attention to accuracy.
>
>I'd have to give some thought as to the issues more in-depth, but it's
>clear that you've given a lot of attention to the matter.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >especially,
> >
> >http://energy.saving.nu/california/victim.shtml
> >
> >and
> >
> >http://peakdemand.energy.saving.nu/
> >http://fastfixes.energy.saving.nu/
> >
> >and you will find some data.
> >
> >It is quite interesting and you can see what I was pointing out
> >earlier.
> >
> >Hakan
> >
> >
> >At 11:49 PM 1/25/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> >>You know, while it may be true that Californians have practiced and
> >>studied some good conservation principles, I also think David has a
> >>point.  Back when I was taking some hard look at America's overall
> >>energy usage, home heating oil is a very significant part of that
> >>usage.  Sometimes the statisticians will break out home heating oil
> >>from other statistics because it can tend to skew our understanding.
> >>
> >>Home heating oil is, I think, not as important in some parts of the
> >>country.
> >>
> >>We do have heating and cooling needs here in San Diego, but it is
> >>somewhat a matter of degree and location.  By the ocean, it is cooler
> >>and one doesn't need A/C as much.  Further inland A/C could be more
> >>important, it can get *very* hot in some areas, but it is dry here and
> >>not like some of the more humid extreme-heat situations.
> >>
> >>As to energy needs during cool periods, it is important to have heat,
> >>but obviously not as important nor as demanding on the energy supply
> >>as in a climate that often goes well below freezing, such as one finds
> >>in other parts of the country.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 01:16:48 +0100, you wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Hi David,
> >> >
> >> >The fact is that California during many years have a very active
> >> >program for saving of energy. This is the reason, because if you
> >> >look at other states in US, with similar climate conditions, they
> >> >are at average or above average. Of course, a lot is AC in those
> >> >states, very much offices. If you look at statistics over the years
> >> >and growth, you can clearly see that it is man made savings.
> >> >
> >> >California is the state that is and has been the most active state
> >> >in US, when it comes to energy conservation and pollution. We
> >> >had many exchange students and visiting professors from California
> >> >in the Swedish universities.
> >> >
> >> >Still the Californian use twice as much energy as the average Swede.
> >> >But they are best in the US after Hawaii, which is definitely determined
> >> >by the climate.
> >> >
> >> >Hakan
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >At 06:55 PM 1/23/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >>Re:
> >> >>Californians 50%
> >> >>
> >> >>I don't want to step on a good thing, but is it 50% because of the 
> climate,
> >> >>or 50% because Californians are
> >> >>different or more energy conscious?
> >> >>
> >> >>My gfather lives in San Diego.  He almost never has to turn the heat on,
> >> >>ever.  He only uses AC on the
> >> >>hotest of days.. perhaps 5 days if that.
> >> >>
> >> >>Contrast that to my coast, and its cold cold cold in the winter.. 
> and hot
> >> >>and muggy in the summer where you
> >> >>might leave the AC in the car on while you tkae a shower and get 
> ready for
> >> >>your date..lest you get all sweaty before you AC can
> >> >>cool your car.  <not everyone owns a garage>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>So i dont really like the 50% one..
> >> >>
> >> >>on the other hand.. THIS ONE
> >> >>http://energy.saving.nu/biofuel-sticker-3.jpg
> >> >>
> >> >>is absolutely hilarious.   and gives you the secondary point of 
> committing
> >> >>suicide on your dependence on the pump.
> >> >>
> >> >>funny..  :)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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