Dear Hakan Any real petrol head with reasonable long term international knowledge of automotive or motorcycle history can tell you your statement that ...
"The good thing is that the advanced vehicle technologies...are not based in US any longer." ...is not true. Apologies to those from the USA, but they never were based in the USA. Almost every advancement in vehicle, engine, suspension or braking design (car or motorcycle) came from Europe or England up until the 80's,and now it also comes from Japan. OK you might say that the US invented car mass production, but even that is arguable. Lets look at the cars produced... If you disagree Hakan, tell me one major advancement in vehicle design that originally came from the USA. I doubt you can tell me one, but for every one you can I can tell you 10 that came out of Japan, Italy, Germany, and the UK. In USA vehicle product terms just look at your supposed flagships. In car terms the Cadillac. In motorcycle terms Harley Davidson. Enough said? Its arguable that over the last 50 years the USA car and motorcycle industry has progressed less in creative design and innovation terms than any other major developed country anywhere in the world. Compare todays Cadillac to todays Lexus. Compare todays Harley to a MV Augusta or Honda. You are dreaming Hakan. Lets look at racing. (The supposed birthplace of creativity and advancement) Are USA based car designs doing well, (or have they ever done well), in world GP, world touring cars, or WRC? No, they are unheard of. The only place USA has notoriety in world car racing terms is drag racing. Big V8 engine, big deal! Are USA based motorcycle designs doing well in world MotoGP, Superbikes / SBK, MotoCross, Supercross or anything else. A big no, they are unheard of, and always have been. The only racing where US manufactured vehicles race successfully is on US soil, and thats because much of the US racing scene in the US is set up for locally produced stuff, and excludes outsider vehicles in the rules. This is because the corporations have the $. GM and Ford have pulled the same trick here in Australia. We have supercar racing here, yet only two kinds of cars are allowed to enter. One type of GM car, and one type of Ford car. With that kind of corporate auto-homophobia its no wonder the US car manufacturers find it difficult to be creative. US corporations have a lot of responsibility in this lack of creativity. But from their point of view, why be creative when you can just simply control the market and its progress? Experimental Cars As anyone reading the sites associted with this subject would know its all mainly happening in Europe and Japan. I suppose this is because they have environmental constraints, and fuel costs that would horrify US residents. Necessity is the mother of invention. By comparison US residents are still driving SUV's with tax breaks, enough said. Sorry Hakan, stop believing the US media juggernaut, its simply not true. Francis Williams in Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, 4 February 2003 4:48 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Is Big Energy Hijacking Hydrogen? > > Yes, they hijacked a technology that will work with fossil > fuel and that does not lead to any sustainable future if you > do not gamble on some revolutionary developments. This > with technologies that have been researched for 80 years > now, without such breakthroughs. The depletion problem > remains for future generations to deal with and it is a steal > by current generations. It does give an extension, but only > with utilization of coal. Oil, gas and nuclear does not give > more than a couple of decades of relief. They can already > see that the NG bet is going wrong and depletion is rapidly > catching up. The hydrogen route is especially interesting > for US with its large reserves of coal. Utilization of the coal > reserves will not be done without a continuation of pollution > and we can now see why US have this fierce opposition > to the Kyoto agreement. The pieces start to fall in place. > > For developing countries it give practically nothing and if > they do not go the biofuel-solar-wind route, they will be > forever in the poverty trap. I expect therefore that we will > see a division here and the industrial countries might loose > their bet. Especially since the energy industry do not want > to give way on the current high consumption and put in > place some logical measurements against unnecessary > waste of energy. > > I do see a kind of desperation in this and it will be very > difficult to maintain a global position for the developed > countries with this solutions. Maybe we are seeing the > beginning of the traditional fall of empires here. It will be > very difficult to get EU, Brazil and others to go for one > sided bets like this. > > Personally I do not mind if US are taking this route, as > long as they do not try to export it by force. What worries > me is the current tendency to try to solve immediate > problems with military powers. > > UK might follow suit, with their coal reserves. Germany > and the rest of EU, who also have large coal reserves, > hesitate and seems to be much more realistic. The good > thing is that the advanced vehicle technologies and other > energy technologies are not based in US any longer. > > Hakan > > > At 11:19 AM 2/3/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >Keith Addison wrote: > > > > > > http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=14959 > > > > > > Is Big Energy Hijacking Hydrogen? > > > >Wrong tense. Big Energy has hijacked hydrogen. > > > > > >AP > >-- > >Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than > >a career. Aviation is a way of life. > >A second language for the world: www.esperanto.net > >Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > >Biofuels list archives: > >http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > > >Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > >To unsubscribe, send an email to: > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! 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