--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fur Free Friday at 7th and Nicollett in Minneapolis Minnesota, the > day after thanksgiving 1999. Protesters who were chained together > were placed in a choke hold by law enforcement. Pepper spray was > administered to a swab and applied to each protester. There was no > reason for this other than torture. I was there, I saw this happen. > Too bad I did not have a camera.
Same thing, different day.... You should see the movie. (Yes. It is on tape.) http://www.radioproject.org/transcripts/9926.html In its report Amnesty International said that "in this instance the spray was clearly abusive as it was not used to protect officers or others but was applied in a calculated and deliberate way to inflict pain as a way of gaining compliance in cases of demonstrators who posed no threat." The later half of the program moves off of the intentional abuse aspect and towards effectiveness issues. ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg and April <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: The oil in Iraq > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 12:57 > Subject: [biofuel] Re: The oil in Iraq > > > > > > > > > I ge the feeling that you seem to think that Saddam is going to > > attack the US? Is this fact? Has his regime done something to > > warrent these feelings or are you just feeling the parinoia > > sorrounding the policies that are being rammed in our faces by the > > current administration? > > > > > > You just don't get it do you, it isn't just the U.S., never has been despite > what what alot of people think. It is the U.A.E., Saudi Arabia, Turkey, > Israil, and others in the area that while they may or may not like or > dislike the U.S., They see Iraq as a threat. > > > > > > *<snip> of a silly story about my neighbor that had little to do with > > the topic* > > > > An analogy always has something to do with the subject. > > > > > > > > > I could get into that but it would take all day to explain and you > > > > would not get it anyway. > > > > > > > > > > My point is, that which is right for you is not necessarily right > > for me. > > > > So it is better for me to have you ram your ideas in my face and shut > > up? I don't think so. You have to listen to my rants and ideas > > too! > > > > I never said that and you know it. You seem to think that I have to listen > to you spout about how you are fighting for rights, well, are your rights > better than mine? > > > > > > > > Now is a matter of defining reasonable cause. In some circles just > > denying > > > a request for search, gives suspicion, and there for cause. I don't > > hold > > > with that unless there are other factors in involved like the > > safety of a > > > officer of the law or coming in contact with a government official > > ( aka > > > governors, presidents, ect...) and similar such, then it is > > reasonable. > > > > > > Search based on profiling is sometimes a necessary evil, personally > > I don't > > > like it, it backfires ( like the MD sniper shootings ). It also > > causes > > > negative reactions. > > > > So we can agree that you don't like being searched without cause? > > > > > > Read the qualifier, Reasionable Cause, not just cause but, reasionable > cause. Big differance. > > > > > > > > Who? What torture? > > > > > > > Fur Free Friday at 7th and Nicollett in Minneapolis Minnesota, the > > day after thanksgiving 1999. Protesters who were chained together > > were placed in a choke hold by law enforcement. Pepper spray was > > administered to a swab and applied to each protester. There was no > > reason for this other than torture. I was there, I saw this happen. > > Too bad I did not have a camera. > > > > Yes, then we might know if they were resisting arrest or not. That makes a > difference. If they were then the police were with in the bounds of the law. > If they were not then the police were not. Don't forget a lawful order from > a police officer is also reasonable cause for the use of force if it is > deemed necessary. > > > > > > > > Then you have been ignoring the fact that he has been rebuilding his > > > military, again becoming a treat to the region. And the fact that > > he has > > > been giving the UN the middle finger by kicking the inspection > > teams out > > > time and not other wise cooperating. > > > > Show proof of his rebuilding the military? With what? He has > > nothing to rebuild with? > > > > > > From the transcript of chief U.N. arms inspector Hans Blix's testimony > before the United Nations: > > "In my January update to the Council I referred to the Al-Samud II and the > Al-Fatah missiles, reconstituted casting chambers, construction of a missile > engine test stand and the import of rocket engines, which were all declared > to UNMOVIC by Iraq. > I noted that the Al-Samud II and the Al-Fatah could very well represent > prima facie cases of proscribed missile systems, as they had been tested to > ranges exceeding the 150-kilometers limit set by the Security Council. > > I also noted that Iraq had been requested to cease flight test of these > missiles until UNMOVIC completed a technical review. > > Earlier this week, UNMOVIC missile experts met for two days with experts > from a number of member states to discuss these items. The experts concluded > unanimously that, based on the data provided by Iraq, the two declared > variants of the Al-Samud II missile were capable of exceeding 150 kilometers > in range. This missile system is therefore proscribed for Iraq pursuant to > Resolution 687 and the monitoring plan adopted by Resolution 715. > > As for the Al-Fatah, the experts found that clarification of the missile > data supplied by Iraq was required before the capability of the missile > system could be fully assessed. > With respect to the casting chambers, I note the following. UNSCOM ordered > and supervised the destruction of the casting chambers, which had been > intended for use in the production of the proscribed Bader (ph) 2000 missile > system. Iraq has declared that it has reconstituted these chambers. The > experts have confirmed that the reconstituted casting chambers could still > be used to produce motors for missiles capable of ranges significantly > greater than 150 kilometers. Accordingly, these chambers remain proscribed. > " > > These missles were not around at the end of the Gulf War. > > > > > > > > Greg, there is no contradiction. I am not banging the drums of war. > > My rights are not being eroded by Iraq. They are being eroded by the > > shrub administration. No contradiction. > > > > Again another contradiction. First you say "My knowlege of history is very > clear. We have been loosing our freedoms for decades. " then you place all > the blame on " the > shrub administration." Sorry, you pointed out, before, " We have been > loosing our freedoms for decades. " and " the shrub administration " as you > put it, hasn't been around that long. > > Greg H. > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > --- End forwarded message ---
