Todd,
Sorry, a typo, it should be swing capacity of 2.5 million barrels a day not billions. Hakan At 03:35 PM 2/21/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Todd, > >I am worried about all the things that can go wrong for US, > >- The bombing of Perl Harbor and the declaration of war, was not an attempt >to invade US. It was an attempt to scare US to lift the oil blockade on >Japan. It was a gross misjudgment in US resolve and willingness to go to >war and more in the industrial capacity to recover and wage war in the >remote areas of Pacific. > >- US involvement in Europe was key efforts in material and to save Europe >from being occupied by the Soviets. Without this assistance the Western >alliance would not had the resources to land in Europe and the likelihood >that Stalin would have crushed Hitler on his own is very large. > >- Germany did not have energy resources and not the time to develop the >ones they occupied in Middle East. They were disturbed by the locals and >the Western alliance. > >- Germany who was betting on a far larger support in the countries they >occupied, did not get it and made large mistakes in appointing puppet >regimes. At the end the Germans was too few to control their emerging >empire on their own. They had clear indications of local support, but when >they got in, it was not enough to maintain peaceful occupations. They >honestly thought that the puppet regimes had larger popular support and >could maintain order, Instead they had to take the policing task, even in >Italy who was one of the allies. > >I am afraid that US is taking the same chances and maybe find themselves >doing the same mistakes. Iraq is not going to use WMD, they will try to >destroy the oil reserves to be useless for at least one or two decades. >They will also try to do the same with the Saudi and Kuweit oil and if they >only are half successful, they will do more harm to the world, and >especially US, than any possible WMD. > >The Iraqi population is more than 50% under 16 years old. They only know a >very large hatred against US and the sanctions who killed so many of their >friends. They are also well indoctrinated and that is very powerful. How >can US even dream of a US friendly democracy or even a sustainable puppet >regime? I cannot belive that the US government themselves think they will >be able to do what they want the world and the US population to belive. >Even if US initially can limit the destruction of the oil fields, they take >a risk of continuous sabotage from a widespread resistance movement. This >resistance movement will spread to other oil producers and the most >effective target will be the oil production. With only a swing production >capacity of 2,5 billion barrels per day, it does not take much to bring the >world into a very deep recession and problems in maintaining war efforts. > >In the long run I do not believe in a development in US that would move >towards a Bush dictatorship and I agree with your points. I do belive in >that the American people never could be domesticated and I also believe >that this is the case in many countries. It is however a large risk for >something like a third world war, different than the previous ones of >course. The world population is now beginning to see US as the largest >threat to world peace and maybe they are right. Before US have change their >policies and restored the democracy, US and the world will have problems of >a disastrous magnitude. The Genie is out of the bottle and will be >difficult to put back. > >It is not the world doctrine "coup" I am worried about, it is the chain of >events that it will start. > >Hakan > > >It is too many things > >At 01:46 AM 2/21/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >Hakan, > > > >I think you need not worry terribly long about a world doctrine "coup." The > >global perspective relative to my nation will not long last as being one of > >a moral and pricipled "lighthouse"of free nations at the rate she is going > >and at the helm of her present leadership. > > > >I'm greatly concerned that the previous "isolationist" policy of our present > >administration will quickly become a reality, but one of isolationism as a > >result of the global politic disassociating itself due to the attempts of > >dominance and control, inclusive of the corporate sector. > > > >Other nations are worn weary of having to always deliberate what the > >repercussion of US response to any thought process or recourse will be, so > >much so that their path is not one of self direction, but helmed by US > >disposition, disgruntlement and practiced disenfranchisement. > > > >The attempt to buy Turkey's consent with guarantees of monetary aid to > >compensate for any economic disruption caused by a war with Iraq is but one > >of the most recent incidents. > > > >As for the program, it was a well constructed, factual and historical piece. > >What I found was the emotion that it tended to stir in those who viewed it. > >Many have forgotten the way the Persian Gulf war ended and how the present > >situation has evolved as a continuation of a previous administration's > >decision to withdraw its support for a definitive end. > > > >I see two primary resultsof the program's airing (and viewing): > > > >1) an acquantance (or reacquaintance) with the behind the scenes history (as > >it was titled). Unfortunately the "history" only went back 11 years and > >didn't broach the decade of US contribution to Iraq power prior to the > >Persian Gulf War. > > > >2) a (re)stirring of the emotion of regret for the fact that the US withdrew > >from the 1991 action and left thousands to face slaughter as a result of > >reprisals. > > > >However, the impossible part for anyone to identify with the piece is any > >justification for military action in present terms, beyond the playing upon > >old sentiments. The administration's position for this particular stance was > >reiterated throughout. Yet not once was any justification, predicated upon > >the US' own criteria, given. > > > >But that is not what the program was intended to do - only give "inside" > >historical background. > > > >Yet again, that is what the entire world (short of the US) demands. > > > >Unfortunately, I don't seriously believe that my country can provide > >anything but more assertions, allegations and press releases of incredulous > >disbelief, (waving years old documents and assertions) with its greatest > >stock and faith being placed in either the hope that military intervention > >will yield the "proofs" that it has said already exist and that at minimum > >the US populace will be forgiving if nothing becomes evidentiary in the > >aftermath of an invasion. > > > >No doubt many will use September 11th as justification for "forgiveness" (or > >simply justification) whether there be any finding or not. > > > >I'm afraid that no matter what anyone thinks or believes of the present Iraq > >leadership, my country's leadership is perfectly willing to sell this nation > >down the river in the hopes that at minimum national opinion will win the > >day. > > > >And while this nation is not led by "focus groups," it is unfortunately > >presently being led more by anger, desperation and retribution, rather than > >simple fact. > > > >And should all five carrier air wings be "employed" in the irradication of > >Iraqis? The US will have isolated itself even further, to the point that we > >may quickly become (as Europeans and others already greatly perceive us) the > >greatest threat to global peace that the world has yet seen....every bit the > >threat that communism was once perceived to be. > > > >A complete reversal of the pendulum.... > > > >Todd Swearingen > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > >Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 9:10 PM > >Subject: Re: [biofuel] PBS - The War Behind Closed Doors > > > > > > > > > > Dear Todd, > > > > > > I read trough the material and since I am not in US, I have to wait > > > to the 25th to view it. > > > > > > What I have read is very frightening and dangerous. I really hope that > > > they will be stopped, but fear that this will take some time and > >suffering. > > > Being at my age I might not live to see it. > > > > > > I have very large doubts that 4% of the worlds population, even if all > > > of them were united, could in the long run pull of any world dominance > > > doctrine. Even if they could balance the resistance at home with support > > > and participation abroad, it would still be only around 5% of the world > > > population. It is many weak and naive points in the doctrine. One of the > > > fundamentals is that the world should be democratized. If this would > > > be the case, who says that the majorities in the democracies will side > > > with US interests and opinions at the end. > > > > > > As in WWII, energy resources will be the key and this time US will > > > find themselves very vulnerable. Maybe they will have to abandon this > > > about democracies, to look after their own interests. If we for a moment > > > strip out all the horror from WWII and only look at the grand strategies, > >it > > > is many parallels. > > > > > > I want to see the program before I go further and the above is only my > > > reaction and reflections, that in my mind are attached to any superiority > > > doctrine. It is scary!!! > > > > > > Hakan > > > > > > > > > At 07:33 PM 2/20/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > > >I would say this bears repeating. It runs this eve... > > > >............................... > > > > On Feb. 20, 2003 "The War Behind Closed Doors" examines the hidden > > > > story of what is really driving the Bush administration to war with > >Iraq. > > > > Are the publicly reported reasons - Saddam's weapons of mass > > > > destruction and U.S. strategic interests in the Middle East - only > > > > masking the real reason for war? > > > > FRONTLINE unravels a story known only to Washington insiders. > > > > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/ > > > > > > > > Find Your Local [USA] Television Schedule > > > > Enter your zip code -OR- > > > > Select a State or Territory > > > > http://www.pbs.org/whatson/index.html > > > > > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Biofuels list archives: >http://archive.nnytech.net/ > >Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. >To unsubscribe, send an email to: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Your use of Yahoo! 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