Hakan, I rather like the concept of the inability to "domesticate" cultures. Although it's being attempted with great ferver everywhere.
What was it that Chancellor Schroeder said the other day? Something to the effect of "While it may only take one country to wage war, it will take the many nations of the UN to wage peace." And yes.... unilateralism will inevitably spawn greater acts of "terrorism." It is a bizarre mindset that would believe that such a practice can achieve anything less. Very much as if the present US administration is seeking that very thing, giving it "cause" to continue its march into other countries in response to each new retalliation. There is a better path for those with the stomach for it. Todd Swearingen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] PBS - The War Behind Closed Doors > > Todd, > > I am worried about all the things that can go wrong for US, > > - The bombing of Perl Harbor and the declaration of war, was not an attempt > to invade US. It was an attempt to scare US to lift the oil blockade on > Japan. It was a gross misjudgment in US resolve and willingness to go to > war and more in the industrial capacity to recover and wage war in the > remote areas of Pacific. > > - US involvement in Europe was key efforts in material and to save Europe > from being occupied by the Soviets. Without this assistance the Western > alliance would not had the resources to land in Europe and the likelihood > that Stalin would have crushed Hitler on his own is very large. > > - Germany did not have energy resources and not the time to develop the > ones they occupied in Middle East. They were disturbed by the locals and > the Western alliance. > > - Germany who was betting on a far larger support in the countries they > occupied, did not get it and made large mistakes in appointing puppet > regimes. At the end the Germans was too few to control their emerging > empire on their own. They had clear indications of local support, but when > they got in, it was not enough to maintain peaceful occupations. They > honestly thought that the puppet regimes had larger popular support and > could maintain order, Instead they had to take the policing task, even in > Italy who was one of the allies. > > I am afraid that US is taking the same chances and maybe find themselves > doing the same mistakes. Iraq is not going to use WMD, they will try to > destroy the oil reserves to be useless for at least one or two decades. > They will also try to do the same with the Saudi and Kuweit oil and if they > only are half successful, they will do more harm to the world, and > especially US, than any possible WMD. > > The Iraqi population is more than 50% under 16 years old. They only know a > very large hatred against US and the sanctions who killed so many of their > friends. They are also well indoctrinated and that is very powerful. How > can US even dream of a US friendly democracy or even a sustainable puppet > regime? I cannot belive that the US government themselves think they will > be able to do what they want the world and the US population to belive. > Even if US initially can limit the destruction of the oil fields, they take > a risk of continuous sabotage from a widespread resistance movement. This > resistance movement will spread to other oil producers and the most > effective target will be the oil production. With only a swing production > capacity of 2,5 billion barrels per day, it does not take much to bring the > world into a very deep recession and problems in maintaining war efforts. > > In the long run I do not believe in a development in US that would move > towards a Bush dictatorship and I agree with your points. I do belive in > that the American people never could be domesticated and I also believe > that this is the case in many countries. It is however a large risk for > something like a third world war, different than the previous ones of > course. The world population is now beginning to see US as the largest > threat to world peace and maybe they are right. Before US have change their > policies and restored the democracy, US and the world will have problems of > a disastrous magnitude. The Genie is out of the bottle and will be > difficult to put back. > > It is not the world doctrine "coup" I am worried about, it is the chain of > events that it will start. > > Hakan > > > It is too many things > > At 01:46 AM 2/21/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >Hakan, > > > >I think you need not worry terribly long about a world doctrine "coup." The > >global perspective relative to my nation will not long last as being one of > >a moral and pricipled "lighthouse"of free nations at the rate she is going > >and at the helm of her present leadership. > > > >I'm greatly concerned that the previous "isolationist" policy of our present > >administration will quickly become a reality, but one of isolationism as a > >result of the global politic disassociating itself due to the attempts of > >dominance and control, inclusive of the corporate sector. > > > >Other nations are worn weary of having to always deliberate what the > >repercussion of US response to any thought process or recourse will be, so > >much so that their path is not one of self direction, but helmed by US > >disposition, disgruntlement and practiced disenfranchisement. > > > >The attempt to buy Turkey's consent with guarantees of monetary aid to > >compensate for any economic disruption caused by a war with Iraq is but one > >of the most recent incidents. > > > >As for the program, it was a well constructed, factual and historical piece. > >What I found was the emotion that it tended to stir in those who viewed it. > >Many have forgotten the way the Persian Gulf war ended and how the present > >situation has evolved as a continuation of a previous administration's > >decision to withdraw its support for a definitive end. > > > >I see two primary resultsof the program's airing (and viewing): > > > >1) an acquantance (or reacquaintance) with the behind the scenes history (as > >it was titled). Unfortunately the "history" only went back 11 years and > >didn't broach the decade of US contribution to Iraq power prior to the > >Persian Gulf War. > > > >2) a (re)stirring of the emotion of regret for the fact that the US withdrew > >from the 1991 action and left thousands to face slaughter as a result of > >reprisals. > > > >However, the impossible part for anyone to identify with the piece is any > >justification for military action in present terms, beyond the playing upon > >old sentiments. The administration's position for this particular stance was > >reiterated throughout. Yet not once was any justification, predicated upon > >the US' own criteria, given. > > > >But that is not what the program was intended to do - only give "inside" > >historical background. > > > >Yet again, that is what the entire world (short of the US) demands. > > > >Unfortunately, I don't seriously believe that my country can provide > >anything but more assertions, allegations and press releases of incredulous > >disbelief, (waving years old documents and assertions) with its greatest > >stock and faith being placed in either the hope that military intervention > >will yield the "proofs" that it has said already exist and that at minimum > >the US populace will be forgiving if nothing becomes evidentiary in the > >aftermath of an invasion. > > > >No doubt many will use September 11th as justification for "forgiveness" (or > >simply justification) whether there be any finding or not. > > > >I'm afraid that no matter what anyone thinks or believes of the present Iraq > >leadership, my country's leadership is perfectly willing to sell this nation > >down the river in the hopes that at minimum national opinion will win the > >day. > > > >And while this nation is not led by "focus groups," it is unfortunately > >presently being led more by anger, desperation and retribution, rather than > >simple fact. > > > >And should all five carrier air wings be "employed" in the irradication of > >Iraqis? The US will have isolated itself even further, to the point that we > >may quickly become (as Europeans and others already greatly perceive us) the > >greatest threat to global peace that the world has yet seen....every bit the > >threat that communism was once perceived to be. > > > >A complete reversal of the pendulum.... > > > >Todd Swearingen Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
