No Bryan. Not a bit touchy. Just that most people don't have or care to take the time to deal with people in denial, spoon feeding them data and resources which they don't want to read or will never read, don't want to believe or will never believe, could care less about and are perfectly willing to dismiss in order to maintain their own ordered belief or disbelief system.
You did, after all, state your case rather clearly against everything between the two ends of any spectrum. So why bother? Oh. Just one other minor detail. It's that little matter of trying to butter all sides of your bread. The fact that such a practice is so very messy makes it highly unlikely that "the world [will every view] us exactly the same." That would be akin to claiming that a capital driven biodiesel firm is exactly the same as a principle driven biodiesel firm. The product may be the same, but the packages are completely different and the proceeds put to completely different uses. Todd Swearingen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Brah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 4:19 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Global Warming > Todd, > > A bit touchy eh? So now it's personal attacks? One of the great benefits of the online world is that those of differing opinions can exchange ideas. Renewable energy attracts people for various reasons. Some because they believe it will save the environment, some because they want a degree of independence from increasingly oppressive governments. It is important however to remember that although our reasons are different, our goal is the same: the promotion and advancement of renewables. So while you may deride me for my cynicism and paranoia, the results of my actions are the same as yours, and the world views us exactly the same. > > -BRAH > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 11:50 AM > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Global Warming > > Yes. Here we have it. No different than a chemical company releasing toxins > into a hydrology, increased levels of cancer occurring withing that bubble, > and then the chemical company's legal staffs beating the populace down > demanding "Prove to us and the jury that it was our chemicals that caused > the cancer and not the hair spray you use, the vegetables you eat, the > chlorine in the city water, or the sun, or........ad infinitum." > > Global warming via CO2 - a theory to redistribute wealth to > non-industrialized nations? > > Perhaps before you concern yourself with the "theory" of global warming and > try and suck the life's blood out of everyone that you care to argue your > disbeliefs with, you might be better served in focusing on those fits of > cynicism and paranoia that it appears you're prone to. > > What appears to be most apparent, based upon your statements of lifestyle > preference (ride the bike to work, rather smell French fries than > dion-diesel) that you simply want to make an arguement for arguement's sake. > That's fine for academics and the like who get paid to ruminate over how > many angels can dance on the head of a pin. But don't expect everyone in the > grass roots sector to eagerly get caught up in your counter arguements just > for the sheer sport of it. Maybe you've got that kind of free time to waste, > but most people don't. > > Todd Swearingen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bryan Brah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 11:50 AM > Subject: RE: [biofuel] Global Warming > > > > Show me the money! > > > > As far as a the relationship between the earth's mean temperature and CO2 > levels, first prove to me that CO2 levels wouldn't have risen without human > contribution. Next show me that this CO2 is the CAUSE of the increase in > the mean temperature. I won't argue that the temperature is rising, but the > atmospheric level of CO2 might very well be a RESULT of a higher mean > temperature. The "Greenhouse Effect" is just a theory; there are a number > of other theories that explain why the earth's temperature is rising. These > include increased sunspot activity and tectonic and geothermal action. > Increased temperature could cause saturated CO2 to be released from the > oceans. > > > > Blaming "Global Warming" on CO2 emissions (and thus on industrialized > countries), is a convenient ruse to redistribute wealth to > non-industrialized nations. Kyoto doesn't do anything to curb the emissions > of China, India, all of Africa, or South America. Do you believe for a > minute that these countries don't produce CO2 emissions, and won't continue > to do so at greater and greater rates? Kyoto is not about protecting the > environment, it is about controlling people. > > > > Comparing the CO2 production on a per person basis is misleading, while > Europeans are responsible for 8 tons of CO2 each per year, and Chinese make > only 2 tons per year per person (Kirk's stat), there are about four times as > many Chinese as there are Europeans, so the regional output is the same. > Furthermore the demographic of "developed" countries is changing. The > European population is expected to decrease over the next two decades, so > who will be producing more CO2 then? Has China signed Kyoto? > > > > I'll butter my bread how I like. I ride my bike to work because I want > to, not because an international treaty makes it illegal for me to drive my > car. When I do drive, I'd rather smell French fries than dead dinosaurs. > What we should really be doing is using wind, solar, and tide power to split > hydrogen for fuel cells, but I imagine that we'll have to run out of > petroleum and coal before that happens. > > > > -BRAH > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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