I forgot to put in that link:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/global-energyoptions/
--- Kris Book <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Fish,
>
> I've fought and killed in Vietnam for the right to speak
> my
> mind and if you continue with this ridiculous love it or
> leave it crap, you'll be biting off a chunk that you will
> never be able to chew. The left wingers around here are
> loaded for bear and we already have a token righty that
> sends one or two line responses to our lengthy messages,
> so
> do yourself a favor and produce some evidence to support
> your views.
>
> The only righties that last around here are those who
> still
> show some ability to help others and that believe some
> what
> in fair play. Here's a link to a mailing list with about
> 900 right wingers that swallow every bit of propaganda
> put
> on their plate. You may be happier discussing the true
> virtues of nuclear energy, or how many Iraqis can be
> stuffed into an oil barrel.
>
> kris book
>
>
> --- Appal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Mr. Fisher,
> >
> > Your "apparency" seems to be in need of a thorough
> > washing. Once it is
> > rinsed and dries and the distortion of your
> > misunderstanding is lessened,
> > what you will find is that many posters feel that there
> > is an inordinate
> > amount of dissatisfaction that correlates to the
> > dishonesty, double
> > standard, collusion and inequity in the present
> > administration (and all too
> > often in any other administration).
> >
> > Perhaps you find such behavior to be acceptable and
> might
> > in fact even teach
> > such unprincipled behavior to your own children? Many
> > others ("us"), on the
> > other hand, have been trying to weed such character
> flaws
> > out of society for
> > our lifetimes.
> >
> > What you might also find is that in societies that keep
> > their tongues in
> > check when demanded to, or intimidated or threatened,
> the
> > same "freedom"
> > that so many people tout so highly and proclaim to be
> the
> > glory of this
> > union (when it suits your purpose) also becomes one of
> > the first casualties
> > of a punitive/submissive society.
> >
> > You cannot, nor can anyone else, have it both ways -
> > "freedom" on the one
> > hand while deriding those who exercise their freedom on
> > the other.
> >
> > Perhaps you've already conveniently forgotten those
> > examples of abusive
> > power and punitive authority as taught by the recently
> > ousted regimes in
> > Afghanistan and Iraq?
> >
> > Surely not.
> >
> > Todd Swearingen
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "tboonefisher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 3:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory
> >
> >
> > > Apparently many posters here feel that the US is a
> > horrible
> > > place to live. Where else would you prefer to live?
> And
> > of
> > > course WHY don't you give up your US citizenship and
> > move
> > > there?
> > > Tom Fisher
> > > Dallas,TX
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 2:55 PM
> > > Subject: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory
> > >
> > >
> > > > http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15656
> > > >
> > > > How We Lost the Victory
> > > >
> > > > By Ted Rall, AlterNet
> > > > April 16, 2003
> > > >
> > > > NEW YORK - We wanted it to be true. It wasn't.
> > > >
> > > > The stirring image of Saddam's statue being toppled
> > on April 9th
> > > > turns out to be fake, the product of a cheesy media
> > op staged by the
> > > > U.S. military for the benefit of cameramen staying
> > across the street
> > > > at Baghdad's Palestine Hotel. This shouldn't be a
> big
> > surprise. Two
> > > > of the most stirring photographs of World War II -
> > the flag raising
> > > > at Iwo Jima and General MacArthur's stroll through
> > the Filipino surf
> > > > - were just as phony.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone who has seen a TV taping knows that tight
> > camera angles
> > > > exaggerate crowd sizes, but even a cursory
> > examination of last week's
> > > > statue-toppling propaganda tape reveals that no
> more
> > than 150 Iraqis
> > > > gathered in Farbus Square to watch American Marines
> -
> > not Iraqis -
> > > > pull down the dictator's statue. Hailing "all the
> > demonstrations in
> > > > the streets," Defense Secretary Rumsfeld waxed
> > rhapsodically:
> > > > "Watching them," he told reporters, "one cannot
> help
> > but think of the
> > > > fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the
> Iron
> > Curtain."
> > > >
> > > > Hundreds of thousands of cheering Berliners filled
> > the streets when
> > > > their divided city was reunited in 1989. Close to a
> > million Yugoslavs
> > > > crowded Belgrade at the end of Slobodan Milosevic's
> > rule in 2000.
> > > > While some individual Iraqis have welcomed U.S.
> > troops, there haven't
> > > > been similar outpourings of approval for our
> > "liberation." Most of
> > > > the crowds are too busy carrying off Uday's sofas
> to
> > say thanks, and
> > > > law-abiding citizens are at home putting out fires
> or
> > fending off
> > > > their rapacious neighbors with AK-47s. Yet
> Americans
> > wanted to see
> > > > their troops greeted as liberators, so that's what
> > they saw on TV.
> > > > Perhaps Francis Fukuyama was correct - if it only
> > takes 150 happy
> > > > looters to make history, maybe history is over.
> > > >
> > > > Actually, they were 150 imported art critics. The
> > statue bashers were
> > > > militiamen of the Iraqi National Congress, an
> > anti-Saddam outfit led
> > > > by one Ahmed Chalabi. The INC was flown into Iraq
> by
> > the Pentagon
> > > > over CIA and State Department protests. Chalabi is
> > Rumsfeld's choice
> > > > to become Iraq's next puppet president.
> > > >
> > > > Photos at the indispensable Information Clearing
> > House website place
> > > > one of Chalabi's aides at the supposedly
> spontaneous
> > outpouring of
> > > > pro-American Saddam bashing at Firdus Square.
> > > >
> > > > "When you are moving through this country there is
> > [sic] not a lot of
> > > > people out there and you are not sure they want us
> > here," Sgt. Lee
> > > > Buttrill gushed to ABC News. "You finally get here
> > and see people in
> > > > the street feeling so excited, feeling so happy,
> > tearing down the
> > > > statue of Saddam. It feels really good." That
> rah-rah
>
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