-----Original Message----- From: Pieter Koole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, June 22, 2003 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Ammonia as Fuel
>Hoi Greg, >That sounds interesting. What is a Methane digester ? Can I build it or buy >it, or is it industrial equipment ? > >Met vriendelijke groeten, >Pieter Koole >Netherlands >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Greg and April" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 5:21 AM >Subject: Re: [biofuel] Ammonia as Fuel > > >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robert Mills" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> >> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 19:26 >> Subject: Re: [biofuel] Ammonia as Fuel >> >> >> > Somehow, we must get the messages in better order. >> > >> > Ammonia was never discussed as a fuel. It's entire use in this >discussion >> was that of a transportation medium for the hydrogen. >> > >> > While ammonia will burn, there are plenty of reasons that one does not >> want to be around it. It can kill. >> > >> > Ammonia has a boiling point of -21 degrees "F" and will lay in a liquid >> form wherever you want to have it. As the temperature of ammonia rises, it >> will require pressure to hold it in the liquid form. At 100 degrees "F", >the >> pressure required to keep it in the liquid form is 210 psig. >> > >> > Bob >> > >> >> Look at the message I was responding to ( directly below ) Bob. Some >how, >> Greg ( not Greg H. myself ) was equating methanol as being NH3, when it is >> not. Perhaps Greg, was thinking Methane ( CH4 ), instead of Methanol ( >> CH3OH ), but typed Methanol instead. You can get Methane form the same >> source as the NH3, with some processing ( a Methane Digester ), but, that >is >> completely different. >> >> As to Pieter Kools question, If the excreatment ( can we say that on this >> list? ), which is the source of the heavy NH3 in the air, is run through a >> Methane Digester, the amount of Ammonia ( NH3 ), filling the air would be >> cut down to almost nothing, and the Nitrogen would be recoverable in a >> usable form for farming, and BioGas would be available for use as well. >> >> Funny thing, You could use the Methane Digester to reduce the NH3 in the >> air, put the recoverable N back into the ground, make biogas, which in >turn >> ( with the proper equipment ) can be made into syngas, and from there >> reformed into Methanol which could power your car. >> >> Greg H. >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "greg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> >> > Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 10:45 PM >> > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Ammonia as Fuel >> > >> > >> > > what you have is methanol.compress it, and you can run your car. same >as >> > > with propane. greg >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: Pieter Koole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> >> > > Date: Saturday, June 21, 2003 7:07 AM >> > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Ammonia as Fuel >> > > >> > > >> > > >How does one use NH3 as energy source ? >> > > >I ask this, because in Holland we have big problems with NH3 polution >> > > coming >> > > >out of huge animal houses with hundreds of thousends of pigs or >> chickens. >> > > >If we could filter the NH3 out of the air and use it as a fuel, it >> would >> > be >> > > >great. >> > > > >> > > >Pieter Koole >> >> >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >> Biofuels list archives: >> http://archive.nnytech.net/ >> >> Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. >> To unsubscribe, send an email to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Biofuels list archives: >http://archive.nnytech.net/ > >Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. >To unsubscribe, send an email to: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
