Mr. Slayden, Manzanita is a native species to California and western chaparral areas. It's rich texture, color, shape and capacity to survive in drought torn areas give to it characteristics as superb as any Headwaters redwood.
Yet you would relegate it to the status of weed and "ha[ving] no value?" http://www.baynature.com/2003apriljune/atn_2003apriljune.html This survior, which lends inordinate support to soil structures, and hundreds of species of California's flora and fauna, directly and indirectly, deserves more consideration than humans - the later, oddly enough, being the invasive species. Todd Swearingen ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Slayden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] forest fires and using wood biomass as fuel > One wood fuel that I could think of as being a fire hazzard up here in > NorCal is Manzanita(sp). It grows like weeds and in a forest fire the > roots continue to burn. It has no value as either a construction wood nor > is it a good wood for a wood stove as it burns too hot. > > > James Slayden > > On Sat, 1 Nov 2003, murdoch wrote: > > > The one I heard about was in Oroville, CA, USA (1 hour or so North of > > Sacramento) and it came up because I was talking with someone about home > > ownership there and fire concerns, among other things. He said that if > > you > > owned a bit of land, there were a couple of options as to keeping your > > land > > clear of debris. > > > > He pointed out to me a bit of wood that was of a certain type, and > > mentioned > > that it wasn't much good for firewood (BTU too low or something) and also > > was > > not much good for building (not at all strong enough) but that with the > > advent > > of this device into their community, homeowners now had a clear place to > > get rid > > of this wood. He said that, at this point, the machines and trucks which > > would > > come out to your place to cut and haul the wood would spend the night at > > or near > > this incineration facility, because this process of going to your house > > and then > > to the facility was firmly established. > > > > On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 09:51:42 -0800 (PST), you wrote: > > > > >When you figure in the cost to fight forest fires and to > > >rebuild after, biomass turned into electricity costs are > > >looking better all the time. Not to mention, that if burned > > >properly, atmospheric pollution could be greatly minimized, > > >which would also lower health costs. I doubt if anyone will > > >get subsidised for cleaning up the forests but, it is a > > >good idea. > > > > > >I think that Murdoch is referring to the PMC Biomass > > >"Agripower", which is a 225 KW Brayton cycle CHP (combined > > >heat and power) unit which will cost around a half million > > >dolars to purchase. The company claims that there is only a > > >2 year payback if the operators have enough biomass to keep > > >it running continuously and have a use for all that power. > > >It shouldn't be too hard to set up semi trailers with huge > > >battery banks to move the power from the woods to a place > > >that can use the power. > > > > > >If this is true, then I for one would like to buy such a > > >cheap utility company. > > > > > >kris book > > > > > >--- Heath Blount <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Looks, like all these are highly subsidized by PG&E, > > >> which means the local > > >> energy dollar leaves northern California for NYSE. Not > > >> to mention the > > >> relative inefficiency of Wood to electric generation. A > > >> wood to hot water > > >> boiler for heating building space is much more efficient. > > >> > > >> Heath > > >> > > >> >From: murdoch > > >> > > >> >Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: > > >> biofuel@yahoogroups.com CC: > > >> >biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com, > > >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> Subject: [biofuel] > > >> >forest fires and using wood biomass as fuel Date: Thu, > > >> 30 Oct 2003 09:08:03 > > >> >-0800 > > >> > > > >> >http://www.covantaenergy.com/energy/biomass.php4 > > >> > > > >> >As I said a few months ago, I ran across this > > >> wood-biomass-to-electricity > > >> >plant north of Sacramento this summer and was told by > > >> one local how clean > > >> >it was, and how it allowed homeowners to have an option > > >> for clearing their > > >> >land of some wood not-suitable-for-firewood-or-building. > > >> Later I learned > > >> >that this was a few years old, but still, it seems > > >> relatively obscure. > > >> > > > >> >As Southern California and Denver and others now > > >> belatedly search for a > > >> >better forest and fire policy, what I'd love to see is > > >> not so much any one > > >> >measure as a "cure-all" but use of measures such as this > > >> in limited > > >> >moderate ways, to help communities not only do a better > > >> job with fire > > >> >prevention and mitigation, but also to generate power > > >> and make money. > > >> > > > >> >other links of interest that came up: > > >> > > > >> >http://www.calbiomass.org/county.htm > > >> > > > >> >(San Diego, San Bernadino, Orange, Los Angeles Counties > > >> not listed! > > >> >Riverside has only one entry. 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