Hi Alex >Frank, > >Senbel has two products made from coconut for vehicle use. Estrol >Biodiesel and Estrol 2T which come from the same coconut base but are >completely different products. The Bio 2T is cheaper than any of the >petroleum based product in the market. You might be confusing the >Biodiesel for the 2T. This will not work. Some groups have tried using >Biodiesel as a 2T replacement and have damaged their engines.
And some groups have tried using biodiesel as a 2T replacement and have not damaged their engines. We need to know just what damages engines and what doesn't. I don't think sweeping statements on either side will serve - whether do it it works just fine or don't do it you'll wreck your engine. Please post more information about these tests, just how they were conducted, who by and on behalf of whom. I think previously you said there was only damage at maximum stress? >Biodiesel >does not have the lubricity needed for 2 stroke use. It's a diesel >extender and a replacement at the same time. The formulation of the Bio >2T is different though the initial process is the same. What's even more >evident with Biosiesel is the viscosity which is so much thinner than >the Bio 2T and this is why you had to resort to mixing this with mineral >based 2T. The Bio 2T can be used straight in your autolube system though >adjusting the autolube to give a 30~40:1 ratio would significantly >reduce visible smoke and gaseous emissions. The UP NCTS test What's that mean please? More detail please Alex. Best Keith >was based >on a pre-mixed ratio of 40:1 and the autolube was disconnected. > >Alex > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I'm glad for your response regarding estrol brand bio 2T oil but when I > > inquire further as to what type of oil they are using for this bio 2T > > they said that it is a coconut oil and the process is esterification > > process by converting the virgin oil (SVO) to biodiesel or now biolube > > oil. I'm glad they are producing this bio 2T but the price per liter is > > too high compared to price conventional 2T oil (petro based oil). > > Biodiesel/biolube oil should not cost that much considering the > > production cost and simplicity of process all is need are lot of > > patience and caring to produce good quality biodiesel/biolube oil. Well > > I'm encourage again to go deeper on this task to bring biolube oil to > > common people who used motorcycle as a basic mode of transportation on > > rural areas. > > > > Thanks for the information > > Frank > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Alexander P. Loinaz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 10:51 AM > > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] BD as Lube oil for two stroke gasoline engine > > > > Franklin, > > > > You can buy Bio 2T from Senbel Fine Chemicals at telephone # (632) > > 850-6877 in the Philippines. They sell the Estrol brand of Bio 2T which > > was tested by the National Center for Transport Studies of the > > University of the Philippines Engineering Department. This was proven to > > > > be superior in performance and emission levels (gaseous and visible > > smoke) against the biggest selling 2T mineral oil in the market. Best > > used as a pre mix at 40:1. All autolubes of 2 stroke motorcycles in the > > Philippines are set at 20:1 which is the reason for the high smoke and > > accumulation of wasted unburned oil in the muffler system. For the same > > pre-mix ratio as the mineral based lubricant, visible smoke was reduced > > to almost nil with the use of Estrol Bio 2T > > > > Alex > > > > Franklin B. Del Rosario wrote: > > > > > Hi to all > > > > > > I would like to report to the group that my 83 model Yamaha motorcycle > > > was running good with BD as a lube oil. Smoke was reduce and no more > > oil > > > dripping on my muffler. I sent my motorcycle for emission test center > > > the result were as follow: > > > Data reading > > > CO2 2.90% > > > CO 3.39% > > > HC 5396PPM > > > O2 13.29% > > > AFVR 20.95 > > > LAMBDA 1.44 > > > > > > STANDARD GAS LIMIT > > > CO2 20.00% > > > CO 6.00% > > > HC 10000PPM > > > LAMBDA 1.00 +/- 0.99 > > > RESULT OK PASSED > > > > > > The result of emission test using BD as a lube oil is very encouraging > > > compared to 2T lubricating oil from oil producing company petrobased > > oil > > > > > > Pouring in 100% BD at auto lube oil tank had a problem of leaking oil > > > seal at metering pump. I guess that BD is too thin or rubber seal > > worn. > > > So I drain the BD out of auto lube oil tank and metering pump let it > > > dry for a couple of days and mix BD with 2T oil 50:50 ratio and mix BD > > > with gasoline tank at 5 % proportion. It works and I, m still using my > > > motorcycle in and out of city proper with out smoke unlike before. > > > > > > Does anybody from the group that can give idea of how to replace this > > 2T > > > oil with environmental friendly lubricating oil that can be blend with > > > BD and reduce the ill effect of BD to rubber seal? > > > > > > Regards > > > frank ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. 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