>Keith Addison said: > > > > >Not with the current processes, particularly not with WVO. There is work > > >being done on this but nothing so far. > > > > Come on Dan, not so! "Nothing so far"? Mark just said this, as you > > know (in reply to you in fact): > >Keith, > >Name me one person who regularly uses ethanol and WVO to make biodiesel. > >Name me one person who regularly uses ehtanol and virgin oil to make BD. > >And I do mean person, not corporation. An individual, with a backyard >setup, or a small co-op. < 100 gal. batch or < 100 gal/day continuous >process.
I guess you'll be hearing from Ken, I should think Mark can provide backup for what she said, as usual, and there should be others on this list and other lists. Did you really imagine I'd be quoting you a corporation? :-) >Perhaps I should have qualified my statement with a "Practically" before >the "nothing so far". If nobody with a home brew set up is able to do >it reliably, and consistently, then it's not a practical solution, yet. > >Tell me Keith, have you ever made BD with Ethanol, either virgin oil or >WVO? > >I haven't. Have you ever made BD at all Dan? To answer you, in a word, no. Ah-ha! you say, I knew it! But I don't know what that's supposed to prove - nothing, I'd say, it certainly doesn't gainsay my "Not so!" What difference does it make if I've made it or not? And what difference would it make if you've never made BD at all? It wouldn't mean you can't, or won't, nor that it can't be done, nor that you're not allowed to discuss it until you have made it, nor anything other than that you haven't made it yet. Anyway, when we started all this four and a half years ago, like many others we wanted to use ethanol instead of methanol, and we've been pushing towards that ever since, doing whatever we could to encourage it. It was here on this list that the Idaho method first emerged, after Aleks Kac unearthed it. Main reason for us is that you can make ethanol yourself, but not methanol, or not easily anyway - not something a 3rd World villager can do. But on the other hand there's usually a still of some kind not too far away, and if not there easily could be. Without ethanol, biodiesel makes that much less sense for 3rd World rural energy projects, and that's been our main focus all along. As Mark said, there's been a lot of progress since then, very largely thanks to Ken. A couple of weeks back Ken was talking about using wet ethanol, I believe you took part in that exchange. So did Todd, and so did I. This is what I said: >We've also been working towards this, among other things, using >acid-base, though in a bit of a different sort of way. The different >bits of the different sort of way are done now and we'll be doing the >ethanol bit soon. Got some anhydrous ethanol for initial tests, and >I'll get a still going for further needs. The "among other things" is the crucial bit - among MANY other things, 16/24-7/7 for both of us but still there's always a lot that has to wait. But it'll be any time now, it'll get dumped on the front burner soon enough. I don't have a lot of anhydrous ethanol and I don't want to buy any more if I can help it, it's expensive, so for anything more than a few test batches I'll have to get the still properly set up and running. I've never run a still before. Have you? Haven't built the boiler yet either. Whole new ballgame. Then there's the matter of drying it. I can get hold of some 3A, but as Ken said there should be better solutions, and I have some ideas. It'll all take time. Everything does. That's okay, we do tend to get there in the end. Meanwhile, yes, you can make ethyl esters biodiesel as long as the oil is less than about 1ml titration, and if it's not you can deacidify it. That's all been well reported here. Keith >Dan ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
