On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:04:50 -0500, you wrote: >CTFO Todd, > > > >You're not likely to win converts with outbursts like that. In my >experience, biofuels are an easy sell when you lay all of the facts out, >but biodiesel isn't the solution to every pollution problem. In fact, >the way that some states monitor and measure their emissions, BD may be >more of a polluter than dinodiesel. I know that here in Texas >(particularly near Houston), NOX is just as big an issue as SOX, so >anything with a higher discharge is looked at suspiciously by the >petroleum-sponsored lackeys in the government. Since their actions are >only motivated by results achievable within the short election cycle, >it's unlikely that our direct lobbying efforts will have an appreciable >affect on policy. However if we can create a groundswell of popular >support for biofuels, then the politicians' pavlovian response will be >to take action in line with focus-group and voter opinion poll data.
More than once I have seen this NOx concern hold up someone's progress in getting behind Biodiesel, whether it was warranted or not. >If >we can calmly and rationally answer the questions of this >environmentalist person, then (s)he will become another advocate and >spokesperson for our cause. Yup. > > > >-BRAH > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 7:33 AM >To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [biofuel] using biodiesel in a diesel generator > > > >What the hell is your objectionist's problems with clean diesel? > >Perhaps he or she likes dirty diesel technologies better? > >Perhaps he or she would rather wait another 25 years for the oft pitched >LNG >infrastructure to not appear ..... again? > >Perhaps he or she would rather wait for 30 years until a hydrogen >infrastructure is still not yet a reality? And what about the dirty and >carbon negative technologies that will yield all that hydrogen? > >Perhaps he or she is genetically identical in the misguieded mental >processes of Dan Becker of Club Sierra? > >PM traps are already being mandated for new diesels in the EU and the US >and >becoming more and more cost efficient per unit of production. In short >order >PM traps will be serviced as quickly and efficiently as a 30 minute oil >change.Biodiesel further reduces particulate matter. > >No sulfur/SOx with biodiesel. > >The new "green diesel" without its sulfur is going to cause greater wear >and >tear on moving parts of engines and injection systems. Mandatory >inclusion >of 3-5% biodiesel eliminates that problem. > >Manufacture of distillate fuel oils is less energy intensive than >manufacture of gasolines, erego greater energy savings in processing. > >It's already a given that diesels are more fuel efficient and yield >greater >torque, cubic inch for cubic inch in comparison to gasoline. > >As for the use of statiionary diesels such as generators, they are the >best >targets for clean technologies due to their constant loads - no vast >pendulemic swings due to constant swings of fuel loading. This means >that >they can be dialed into their greatest efficiency level for emissions >equipment using a minimum effort and maintenance program. > >Sounds as if your objectionist is more interested in doing nothing than >doing what is immediately available. > >Wonder how many more people have to die before he/she gets his/her mind >out >of the proverbial back pocket? > >Todd Swearingen > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "murdoch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> >Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 12:53 PM >Subject: [biofuel] using biodiesel in a diesel generator > > >> I was speaking with environmentalists about the arguments for and >> against the concept of clean diesel technologies, and one voiced >> strong objections to the concept. >> >> While I think that clean diesel has a strong place in my thinking, I >> wanted to focus a little bit on this idea of using biodiesel in a >> traditional diesel generator, such as we might use at a home or site, >> as a backup or primary generator. >> >> Does anyone here have any views on these generators... which have >> gotten better, which are reliable... Do any work particularly well >> with biofuels? Problems? What about if you use it as a backup >> generator.... if you have biofuels, are they a problem compared to >> dino-diesel in terms of sitting for a very long time and then being >> required to work? > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Biofuels list archives: >http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > >Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. >To unsubscribe, send an email to: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
