Big difference between being committed to "...exploring clean energy options..." and being comitted to implementing them.
The latter is where a great deal of optimism is eternally buffered. One is lovely conversation over cocktails. The other is best served up with sweat. Todd Swearingen ----- Original Message ----- From: "murdoch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] using biodiesel in a diesel generator > Well, the objectionist I spoke to is very committed to exploring clean > energy options, and I have seen them put a lot of their personal money > and time where their mouth is. > > I think they are more optimistic than that as to the advent of H2, and > have spoken to some of the professional environmentalists who are > against the concept of clean diesel. > > But in any event, thank you for laying this all out for me, and I will > pass it on to those who might benefit from it. I know all this stuff > seems obvious to you, but one of the reasons I quoted this person is > because his views represent some of those of the more well-intended. > He is simply lost in many of the other technological arguments. > > I think we also saw this when Kerry mentioned clean diesel favorably a > year or two ago. Can't think of one environmentally-minded > organization or person who spoke in defense of his views. There were > probably some. Then he just had to back off. > > So, the anti-diesel views may rankle you and other knowledgeables, but > they are still somewhat widespread and established amongst some > Greens. > > One thing. You write: > > ... > >Manufacture of distillate fuel oils is less energy intensive than > >manufacture of gasolines, erego greater energy savings in processing. > > > >It's already a given that diesels are more fuel efficient and yield greater > >torque, cubic inch for cubic inch in comparison to gasoline. > ... > > This has been a lingering question in my mind. There are a couple of > reasons for this. I wonder as to the beginning product (crude) and > the end product(s) (gasoline, diesel, and other products) and how much > energy is used to make them. And then I wonder how we are measuring > the power and energy efficiencies of gasoline vs. Diesel generation, > as to amounts of either fuel, since they have different mass > densities. I'd like to see a comparison of a given mass vs. a given > mass, and how much energy either has. I don't know if you'd measure > this in "moles" or pounds-adjusted-to-represent-mass-instead-of-weight > or what. > > > > > > > > > >As for the use of statiionary diesels such as generators, they are the best > >targets for clean technologies due to their constant loads - no vast > >pendulemic swings due to constant swings of fuel loading. This means that > >they can be dialed into their greatest efficiency level for emissions > >equipment using a minimum effort and maintenance program. > > > >Sounds as if your objectionist is more interested in doing nothing than > >doing what is immediately available. > > > >Wonder how many more people have to die before he/she gets his/her mind out > >of the proverbial back pocket? > > > >Todd Swearingen > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "murdoch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > >Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 12:53 PM > >Subject: [biofuel] using biodiesel in a diesel generator > > > > > >> I was speaking with environmentalists about the arguments for and > >> against the concept of clean diesel technologies, and one voiced > >> strong objections to the concept. > >> > >> While I think that clean diesel has a strong place in my thinking, I > >> wanted to focus a little bit on this idea of using biodiesel in a > >> traditional diesel generator, such as we might use at a home or site, > >> as a backup or primary generator. > >> > >> Does anyone here have any views on these generators... which have > >> gotten better, which are reliable... Do any work particularly well > >> with biofuels? Problems? What about if you use it as a backup > >> generator.... if you have biofuels, are they a problem compared to > >> dino-diesel in terms of sitting for a very long time and then being > >> required to work? > >> > >> > >> > >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >> > >> Biofuels list archives: > >> http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > >> > >> Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > >> To unsubscribe, send an email to: > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > >Biofuels list archives: > >http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > >Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > >To unsubscribe, send an email to: > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Yahoo! 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