Hi Lyle >Go easy, Keith. > >There is something to be said for enthusiasm.
There's lots to be said for it, as the Astroturf groups, the industry shills, the "Wise Use" charlatans and the fake persuaders Monsanto et al are known to send to groups like this all know very well. There are such people here, I can assure you of that. >I'm interested in the biodiesel as biotech idea. Surely biodiesel is >low to no "tech," but does it hurt us to raise the biotech banner? I think it does. As currently practised there's nothing about biotech that is compatible with rational and sustainable biofuels use, nor to rational and sustainable food production. >It occurs to me, after wasting a bunch of homemade fuel driving to >meetings in Raleigh last year (capital of NC), That you see it that way puts you way ahead of most people. Frankly, those who don't see it that way are living in a fool's paradise. >that there appears to be no such thing as a constituency for >"sustainability." It's a buzz-word, much maligned and very much hi-jacked, all too often just a Pavlov bell that's supposed to jerk your left knee when it rings, even when it sounds on the right. Nonetheless there is such a thing, very much so, and certainly a constituency for it, and it has a very clear meaning - able to continue indefinitely. That is, without using up the resources it depends on, without such "side-effects" as to minimise or negate its benefits, and so on. Try it out for size with what currently flies under the biotech banner. Try using these criteria: http://journeytoforever.org/community.html Community development http://journeytoforever.org/community2.html Community development 2 >Everywhere you can see hear the voices of Big Soy, Big Oil, Big >Government, but where do you hear "Sustainability?" > >Perhaps we should snatch the "biotech" cache and ride it into the >legislative process. To what avail? With what benefit? How could it apply? Please see: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/32259/1/ http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/32312/1 Enthusiasm's no use on its own. A benighted enthusiasm might be sincere enough but it doesn't go anywhere that's good, it has to be enlightened. So you have to question it. The response can tell you a lot. If it's a true enthusiasm it should be open to suggestion and perhaps new ideas or different ways of looking at things. You may have noticed Matthew Wisz did not respond, not to this, nor to my questioning his most odd referring of a newcomer from Portugal asking about biodiesel to a US "Wise Use" industry-front spin group with zero information on biodiesel, nor to Rachel's reply on biodiesel in NC. Instead he unsubscribed. Could be wrong, but I doubt it's any loss. Best Keith >On May 27, 2004, at 7:49 PM, Keith Addison wrote: > > >> http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/413048553 > >> > >> This petition was setup to acknowledge the need to research more on > >> the > >> economic impact from the use of alternative fuels in NC, and abroad. > >> Please > >> help me reach my goal, and follow the links. That would help me > >> SOOOOO Much. > >> Thank you, > >> > >> > >> Matthew Wisz > >> TriStar Computer Solutions > > > > Hm... > > > > "... a replinishable crop such as soyfuel"? You think soy is a good > > energy crop or a good biofuels crop? Not many people think so, unless > > they have industry interests. > > > > "Money which not only could instantly spark economic growth, but save > > farming communities and jobs. If the idea is to keep jobs in North > > Carolina...Then let's make a reason for big biotech companies to come > > to North Carolina." > > > > Would you care to explain this strange reasoning? What is the > > relationship between big biotech companies and biodiesel, or between > > biotech and biodiesel? Do you know of any instances of big biotech > > companies saving farming communities and jobs? Why do you want big > > biotech companies to come to North Carolina? Don't you like North > > Carolina? > > > > Best > > > > Keith > > > > >Lyle Estill >V.P., Stuff >Piedmont Biofuels >www.biofuels.coop ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
