Arthur Sauerhaft,

How about putting a muzzle on your "ugly and hateful" comments?

Discussing or airing perceptions, perspectives and viewpoints is not being
"ugly or hateful."

On the other hand, your intentionally derogatory personal attacks are and
your bitter and unwarranted assault further substantiates the general
perception of the radical nature of Zionism and -ists.

As for your apology? No. It is not accepted, as you knew from the onset how
far in the wrong you were going to be, yet you didn't care.

Little children know better.

Todd Swearingen

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "arthur sauerhaft" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Oil and Israel - Keith


>
> >I am reposting this because I accidently coppied all/most of the previous
posting and was added to the end.
> >
> >
>
> I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE FOR WASTING BANDWIDTH ON THIS RANT, PLEASE FORGIVE
ME
>
> Luc,
> I am Jewish and I am a Zionist.
> I have tried to stay out of this ugly hateful thread but I find myself
> swept in because of your twisting of  truths and binding them to lies.
> Jews who are not Zionists can mostly be divided into two groups, those
> that are not Zionist for theoligical reasons tied into the coming of the
> Messiah (like Rabbi Teitelbaum) , and "left wing liberals" who in my
> opinion care less about  remaining Jewish and more about  being
> respected in their circles as politically correct  Humanists.  This is
> material for another thread on another list.  Rabbi Teitlebaum is more
> concerned about his small Chasidic sect being the subject of secular
> Jewish  rulings that do not coincide with his interpretation of
> trditional Jewish law. I, as an observant  Jew respect  his opinion but
> I do not agree with it.
> I would also argue that most Jews, secular and observant, are Zionists
> to different degrees. There are many  different definitions within the
> Jewish  community about what  Zionism is , but the central belief is
> that Israel, as a Jewish state has the right to exist. What it's
> borders are and how it is governed is another debate.
> Your exceptional naivete (to be generous) and your insensitivity to
> regarding your previous posting quoting things like the "Protocols of
> the Elders of Zion" just proves your ignorance. These documents are
> proven scams and hate literature. I am suprised you do not quote "Mein
> Kampf"(sp?) and proclaim Hitler and the Grand Inquisitors as tellers of
> great truths.
> You also probably wake up each morning(after checking the horizon for
> the "black helicopters of the Apocalypse) looking for a reason why your
> own life is unsatifactory and blame anyone but yourself. It is so easy
> to imagine all the forces of the world conspired against you rather than
> working out real solutions to your own shortcomings. Yes , Luc this is
> personal , people like you spread hatred and kill far more people than
> silly land grabs and commodity wars ever will.
> Luc, you must take your name really seriously, spreading hatred and lies
> to the ignorant, isn't your name short for Lucifer.
> -Arthur
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