>Hey Keith, > >Is there any possible way to have solution suggestions for the injectors, >like you have for the causes? It would be a nice checklist. :) > >James
No doubt it would James, but it won't be coming from me. If anyone else has the knowledge and inclination to compile such a list, perhaps collectively, well that's what the lists's for, please go ahead, and I'll upload it to JtF if that seems like a good idea to one and all. Best wishes Keith >On Sun, 13 Jun 2004, Keith Addison wrote: > > > Those pumps die anyway. Biodiesel isn't a problem with them. The > > Diesel Fuel Injection Equipment Manufacturers (Delphi, Stanadyne, > > Denso, Bosch) still make cautious noises about biodiesel but they're > > supportive nonetheless. They insist on standard-spec fuel at minimum, > > but it's easy to make standard-spec biodiesel or better. Here's their > > statement on biodiesel quality: > > Summary -- html > > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_FIEM.html > > Full document -- Acrobat file, 104kb > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/FIEM.pdf > > > > For SVO/WVO the same reservations apply to Stanadyne pumps as to > > Lucas-CAV - rotary pumps, not good. > > > > Elsbett says: "We do not suggest to modify engines equipped with > > distributor-type > > injection pumps manufactured by Delphi, Lucas, CAV, Stanadyne and > > Roto-Diesel." > > > > There's more about this at Darren Hill's site: > > http://www.vegburner.co.uk/suitability.htm > > Vegburner > > > > Meanwhile there've been furious denials from Greasel and probably > > others - nothing wrong with rotary pumps and SVO, they say, it's just > > "rumors", "misinformation". Ho-hum. > > > > Ed Beggs of Neoteric reported an initial failure (old pump) and no > > problems with the rebuilt replacement: "Starting into a project with > > an old highly worn pump - well, sure, > > anything can happen... these pumps fail daily to begin with, on > > diesel fuel... Throw in some inferior WVO that should have been made > > into biodiesel, and you are adding to the potential for problems, > > IMO. On the other hand, with a good pump in good shape, and good WVO > > or SVO, well heated and free of water and contaminants.. no problems." > > > > Others agree with that, though it's also said that the Stanadyne > > pumps can't take too much heat either, maybe 180 deg F max. Not too > > little, not too much. > > > > It's the same with the Lucas - it can be done but it has to be done > > well, and there's still a shortage of long-term results, there are > > some, but not enough. > > > > Once again, it's the difference between biodiesel and SVO. Biodiesel > > - any diesel will do. SVO - maybe any diesel, but there's a lot more > > to consider, if you're just going to chuck it in and go then be > > prepared for problems. > > > > Best > > > > Keith > > > > > > >to elaborate on that a little (since I own one of these vehicles) > > > > > >Elsbett has recommended not converting vehicles equipped with > > >Stanodyne pumps to SVO. (this came from Aleksander Noack > > >directly, not sure if it's on their website or not) > > > > > >we had a LOT of failures (ie 7 or 8 now?) with these pumps (on > > >Fords and Chevy trucks) in the Bay Area on SVO, none on > > >biodiesel. Of course lots of other people have also run them > > >successfully on SVO, again, no pump failures reported anywhere > > >on biodiesel. > > > > > > It looks like the failures in our area were mostly on vehicles > > >which weren't getting sufficient heating on the WVO side. These > > >folks mostly ran homemade or experimental conversions, and > > >the failures (sized pump) occured quite early in the conversion's > > >life. The several of these cases that I looked into, didn't do > > >adequate temperature monitoring , so it is possible that the > > >temps weren't up to par. In any case it seems a strong case to > > >be extra careful with SVO in these vehicles. > > > > > >One of them seized his pump and then seized the newly rebuilt > > >replacement almost immediately. When he called the rebuild > > >company about it the second time, they asked if he was using > > >biodiesel- they'd apparently gotten a few back from various > > >people already. I imagine that the SVO'ers who were trying to get > > >the company to accept their seized pumps as cores were > > >probably doing what my friends did- and probably weren't quite > > >straight with the co. as to what fuel they were using, and had > > >probably told that company it was biodiesel (since that sounds > > >less bad than hacking into your fuel system, from a fuel injection > > >equipment manufacturers' perspective. > > > > > > > > >--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >wrote: > > > > Not recommended for SVO/WVO use, fine with biodiesel. > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best I can tell the pump in my vehicle is a "distributor type" > > > > > > Stanadyne pump. If I am wrong on that point, someone > > >please correct > > > > > > me! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember, the fuel injector pump on the 5.7, > > >6.2 and 6.5 > > > > >is a Roosa Master. I don't know why distributor type fuel > > >injection > > > > >pumps would have problems on biodiesel, though I imagine > > >the close > > > > >tolerances of such a device might cause problems with WVO > > >after it had > > > > >cooled down. But that would simply entail running biodiesel > > >or standard > > > > >diesel through the pump for a few moments to clean out the > > >hot WVO > > > > >before shutting down, would it not? > > > > > > > > > > Once, when I was seriously looking at a 6.5 turbo diesel, I > > > > >contacted Ed Beggs about a SVO conversion for that engine. > > >He told me > > > > >at the time that he'd had no experience with this family of > > >engines. > > > > >Since this is Ed's business, I hedged on buying the truck and > > >it sold to > > > > >someone else. > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for any info or especially experiences if anyone is > > > > > > already burning these fuels using a motor and pump > > >similar to mine, > > > > > > thanks again!!! > > > > > > > > > > I would also like to know! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >robert luis rabello > > > > >"The Edge of Justice" > > > > >Adventure for Your Mind > > > > > > > >http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?booki > > >d=9782> ------------------------ Yahoo! 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