That's right Hakan. There is no doubt due to the flight regulations that ATC knew these were hijackings minutes after the aircraft changed course. One of the regulations specifies to transponder code 7500 (hijack code). Also, for a commercial airliner to change course without explanation spells a hijacking. They never, ever change course without ATC approval! These are instrument flight rules, the aircraft and ATC are in constant contact.
The mystery then remains how long did it take for the information to reach the president, why were fighter jets scrambled 45 minutes after? Why did the president even play a lead role, jets should have been scrambled to receive instructions in flight. Washington DC has the most restricted airspace, yet penetration was allowed. I think the possibility that the US let this happen is quite HIGH but also the fat, lazy government bureaucrats have more blame than Bush but there is no responsibility there or anywhere in government, they all remain blameless. The movie is a good blessing if nothing more than to stir up the fat, lazy US citizens into questioning the behavior of their governments. Kerry will not bring any meaningful changes, no president can. It's time for revolt but that is unlikely since even the poor and homeless in the US are comfortable. We'll just have to sit back and watch the whole thing collapse under it's own weight. my 2 cents of opinion, Lillie ----- Original Message ----- From: Hakan Falk To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 6:11 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: THE HOT MOVIE Greg, You are right in general terms, but to claim that it would be possible that any of the planes could crash where they crashed, because of any health problem, is still an impossibility. I have been sitting in the front seat and have a pilot license, even if it is for small planes. Had my own plane for 5 years, a Cessna 177 Cardinal, fully equipped. My PPL is history now, since I lost my right eye and will not pass medical or be able to do PFT. Remember that the crash sites are far away from where air liners were supposed to be and only that will immediately tell you that it could not be accidents. Air liners are flying under controlled conditions in assigned airways and are not allowed to leave them under almost any condition and certainly not without permission. All the planes in 911 were so far away from the airways, that it must have been deliberate and could not be accidents of any kind. So already the first plane that crashed into the twin tower, told the air control that it was a deliberate attack. I have a night rating and the second time after I got it, I was going from Falun in Sweden to Bromma airport during night. In my flight plan, I was flying under non controlled condition and would pass 1 km outside the control zone of Arlanda airport , instead I got 300 m inside and on about 20 km distance from the airport. I was immediately contacted on the radio about my mistake and when I landed at Bromma I was met by the control authority, to receive a reprimand and warning. I do not like to tell this story, because I know that we have more pilots on this list and they know how stupid I was. Both Manhattan and Pentagon are well inside control zones and the planes must also have been well observed long before they hit the targets. I cannot understand why the president should have been told that the first plane that went into WTC, could have been an accident. The public is not told the whole truth of what was going on, but if there were policies in place and resources in the air, the planes could have been shot down long before they hit the targets. As I been reading about it, all the planes flow for 10 to 20 minutes, after they left the air way, and could be determined to be a threat. I am surprised that the president were not advice of a potential situation, before it happened, and maybe we have an even greater story here. Also remember that they went down to low altitude and continued at that altitude. You are not really fair in your judgement, if you have the experience that you claim. It could not have been accidents and everybody involved knew that from the first crash, the president must have been informed of it already then or even before the crash. Hakan At 03:15 04/07/2004, you wrote: >My point was, much like it was in my first post, he like many others in >this nation thought at first it was an accident, but, you read in my post >only what you wanted to read. > >It is true you do not know anything about aircraft, because actually, a >pilot having a heart attack, could very well cause an aircraft to crash. > >Have you ever sat in the front seat, and flown an aircraft? I have, and >I know it is possible. > >I also had a friend that died that way. The pilot had a heart attack, and >slumped over the controls, putting the plane into a dive, and the copilot, >couldn't fight the weight of the pilot on the control stick, and they >ended up going in -- not one survivor. It was a closed casket funeral for >my friend. SO DON'T TELL ME IT CAN'T HAPPEN, IT HAS! So has other >aircraft have crashed through history, because the pilot, has loss >consciousness for one reason or another. > >Only an incompetent idiot would say that a heart attack can't cause an >aircraft to crash, and only an incompetent idiot would ever joke about >something as tragic as 9/11, like you did. > >Tell me, your being so smart, what do you think that Bush should have done >in the 7 minutes that your complaining about, with little to no >information? Do you think that every time something happens he should run >for Air Force One? Just for your information, from when he was at, even >if he left right away, it would have taken longer than 7 min, just to >reach AFO. You would begrudge Bush, if it took 30 seconds for him to do >something. Your hindsight is just as good as the rest of us, your >foresight is the same as well, or you wouldn't have permitted 9/11 to >happen in the first place. > >You are nothing but an armchair quarterback, calling out the what might >be's, what could have been's, and what he should have done's from the >sidelines, without ever having been in the other persons shoes, and saying >the entire time give me something to hold water. > >Greg H. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brian > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 16:29 > Subject: [biofuel] Re: THE HOT MOVIE > > > I'm confused. Were you trying to prove that Bush did nothing while > the country was under attack? That seems to be the point of the > stuff you posted. > > Also, being a former pilot, Bush would have known that there is a co- > pilot and enough safeguards in a commercial airliner that a pilot > having a heart attack wouldn't result in a plane crashing into a > building. 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