Dear Jennifer et al. I'll bite.
I've been making biodiesel for three years, I'm well into my second back porch refinery, and I've addressed a number of large groups--DOE conferences on down. I'm on my way to NBB next week in D.C., and I have done some legislative work on biodiesel in North Carolina. As for Berkley having the corner (can't say I haven't learned a lot from those folks), at Piedmont Biofuels we have three people who are overwhelmed by education and outreach activities at this point. Can travel. On Jul 9, 2004, at 3:30 PM, Keith Addison wrote: > Isn't someone going to take Jennifer up on her suggestion? We have > members around Boston, or within reach of it. Good opportunity. > > (Welcome, Jennifer!) > > Best wishes > > Keith > > > >> Hello Phil, Martin, and the rest of bio fuel members. >> >> I am new to the group, and I just recently learned about bio fuels >> myself. I know I have already told a dozen or so folks about them >> as well. I have not gotten the two headed look, but most people are >> skeptical of what they don't know. It's like they don't want to >> believe something could be so simple. I am quick to tell them that >> Big Business, and our own government, are the main reason's no one >> knows about this. That alone gets half the people I know >> interested.... then it is not just a bunch of PhD's dreaming, it is >> a reality and a conspiracy. For some reason this makes bio fuels >> more creditable to most people I talk to. I am not an authority or >> expert, but I would like to learn more. I think the rest of the >> U.S. would like to know also. The last weekend of July many >> progressive, forward thinking, intelligent people will be converging >> in and around Boston. This will be a prime opportunity to tell >> others about bio fuels. I mentioned it to a few event leaders, and >> they were wanting some people to give a talk or discussion. The >> Progressive Summit will be the week before the DNC Convention in >> Boston. Kevin Spidel was wanting to know if some one would be >> interested in addressing the group, and also the Democracy Fest 2004 >> will be the same weekend, about two hours from Boston, Jessica >> Falker is the main organizer of that event. They are still looking >> for forward thinking activist to enlighten the crowds. I am not >> qualified to discuss what I am just beginning to learn about, but I >> am trying to spark interest in others, and trying to learn more >> myself. If you think you could give a presentation at either event >> please let me know. Or just go down for the weekend, have some fun, >> and talk to as many people as you can. I'll attach a copy of an >> email I have been sending out to people I know, in case you are >> interested, or in case you can enlighten me more. >> P.S. sorry my first post is so long, promise I won't do this often. >> --- Jennifer Doty >> >> Hello All, >> >> I read a recent article about energy independence. I am very >> glad to see some people touching on this subject. I would like to >> see more in-depth articles, that really show the citizens of the >> U.S. how screwed up our current administration is. For a long time >> we have known about the green house effect, the poisons we are >> putting into our environment, and the face that we will be running >> out of Oil world wide. What I don't understand is why so many of us >> think that there is nothing simple we can do about it. Very few >> people in America know that we can produce clean fuels, that will >> power our cars with almost no change to our current engines and fuel >> systems. I did not know until I got into a discussion with my >> father. We don't need to buy expensive hybrid cars, and we don't >> need fossil fuels. I think that this information is deliberately >> not being talked about, because then George W. would loose all >> remaining support for his war with Iraq, and would stand to loose a >> few billion himself. >> This needs to be brought out and discussed. The Democracy >> Festival 2004 (Deanfest), and the Democratic Convention will be a >> good place to start discussing this with lots of other like minded, >> intelligent, concerned people. There will be all kinds of >> Progressive things going on in and around Boston that week. Please >> take time to read think and pray about how to reach as many people >> as you can. I have included other links at the bottom of this >> email, and you will be amazed at what a simple goggle search will >> show you. Please forward this email on to every one in your address >> book. We need to start a nation wide discussion about biofuels. >> We can currently produce synthic oil ( Castro Syntec ) , and >> there are small research companies doing one better. They are >> producing synthic diesel, gasoline, kerosene, oil, etc. out of bio >> mass by products. Not the same thing as corn ethanol, but actual >> bio diesel, and bio gasoline. Our current combustible engines that >> use fossil fuel oils, diesel, and gasoline take few or no changes to >> burn these bio fuels. No one would have to trade in their car, or >> purchase expensive hybrid cars, and the bio fuels would be better >> for the environment than fossil fuels, emitting much less CO2, less >> greenhouse effect. >> Right now we are fighting a war for oil. Any claims to tie Iraq >> with the 9-11 thing have all been disputed and found not real. Thus >> we are fighting for oil. Oil which will be gone in 50 years. Why >> are we fighting, and spending billions of dollars to have control of >> something that is going to be gone in 50 years? We could invest >> half as much as this war is costing, into development of bio fuel >> plants, and be free from dependence on fossil fuel oil, and create >> jobs here in America. High paying, high tech jobs. If we start >> now, in 50 years foreign countries may be purchasing bio fuels from >> us, instead of us buying fossil fuels from them. There is a company >> in Canada which claims it has already started a biofuel plant, and >> is ready for production. >> Please look into this and report on the gross negligence of our >> current administration. The only thing I can figure is that George >> W. Bush does not want any one to know about bio fuels until he has >> personally made a few billion more off his oil. I would rather see >> our country make billions of dollars selling bio fuels to other >> nations, and pay of our national debt. I want to see thousands of >> new high tech high paying jobs. I want to see this war over and no >> one else die. I want to see us emerge as the moral standards >> leader, and environmental standards leader, and advancements in >> technology leader. Right now we are struggling in all these areas. >> More reasons to get rid of Bush and all who think like him! >> Thank you for your time and consideration of this matter. I >> look forward to the time when every one in America is talking about, >> researching, and using biofuels. I look forward to reading articles >> on this administrations efforts to hide technological advances, and >> thwart production of bio fuels, increase our dependence on foreign >> oil, and just plain hide important information from the general >> public... (again) . The government has invested a little money into >> biofuels research already, but they are not saying much about it. >> They will wait 5-10 years, until they have made as much money as >> they can, and this war and occupation is finally over, then they >> will say " Look what we discovered.... " >> We can get this started. Let us start talking to every one we >> know today. In case you were wondering, I work for Doty Scientific. >> www.DotyNMR.com My father, Dr. F. David Doty, is president and >> owner of this company. He has a PhD in Physics, and is >> internationally known and respected in his field. We specialize in >> NMR and MRI technology. Energy conservation and solutions are an >> active hobby of his. Take the time to investigate bio fuels. You >> will be surprised. Below is an email my father sent to me. It has >> a few links and his thoughts listed. A simple goggle search will >> also produce more info. than you could imagine. >> >> >> Jennifer, >> It's surprising how misinformed the general public and most >> politicians are about the putative "hydrogen economy". Dr. Joe >> Romm, former Director of Energy Efficiency and Renewables at DOE, in >> his recent book, The Hype About Hydrogen, discusses the huge >> challenges posed by a hydrogen economy. He says hydrogen is >> unlikely to have a significant impact before 2050 and we can't wait >> that long. Another very important scholarly study, by the Institute >> for Lifecycle Environmental Assessment http://www.ilea.org/, >> partially funded by the MacArthur Foundation, and to appear in the >> journal Energy Policy, was just released. It compares hydrogen as a >> future energy carrier to electricity and shows how inferior hydrogen >> would be. >> >> It is becoming increasingly more clear to a growing group of >> distinguished scientists that the "hydrogen economy" is really a >> ruse -- a distraction -- and our only viable, long-term, >> transportation option is renewables. The National Academy of >> Science and National Academy of Engineering (NAS/NAE) have recently >> released the most thorough study thus far on the "hydrogen economy", >> The Hydrogen Economy: Opportunities, Costs, Barriers, and R&D Needs, >> http://www.nap.edu/books/0309091632/html/ . This study definitely >> gets it right on most accounts, but still understates the hydrogen >> challenges. >> >> First, the NAS/NAE study gets it right on both current fuel-cell >> (FC) state-of-the-art and on CO2 emissions from hydrogen production. >> Production of liquid hydrogen (which is required for practical >> distribution) from natural gas, results in the release of over 20 kg >> of CO2 for every kilogram of liquid hydrogen (H2) produced (1 kg of >> H2 has the energy of 1 gal. of gasoline). Liquid hydrogen from >> coal, which is what we'll be using in 25 years, results in the >> release of 30 kg of CO2 per kg of H2 (unless the CO2 is sequestered, >> which adds $1 per kg of H2). After another decade of progress, >> hydrogen vehicles (with production-grade FCs then getting 38% >> efficiency) will cause over three times as much CO2 to be released >> per mile as advanced diesel hybrids -- and that's without even using >> biodiesel. >> >> However, the NAS/NAE report fails to address the seriousness of the >> issue of FC vehicle cost. After more than a decade of intensive FC >> R&D, there is still no basis for the hope that it will eventually be >> possible to produce vehicle-grade FC systems priced within a factor >> of ten of what will be required to compete with the advanced diesel >> hybrid. The NAS/NAE study notes that 75 kW (100 hp) proton exchange >> membrane fuel cells (PEMFCs) with unimpressive efficiency (30-35%) >> are finally commercially available in the range of $3000-5500/kW for >> stationary applications, but these FCs (which would come to $500K >> for a typical car) would be quickly and seriously incapacitated >> under road conditions -- by vibration, freezing temperatures, or the >> air pollution levels often encountered in heavy traffic. They >> typically last less than 30,000 miles. >> >> A second major problem in the NAS/NAE study was its hydrogen price >> estimates. The DOE/EIA has been forced to make major upward >> revisions in their price projections every year for the past six >> years. More realistic projections expect natural gas in 2025 to >> cost $16/GJ at the city gate, which is still only 50% above recent >> peaks but 3.5 times the price assumed in the NAS/NAE report. >> Realistic hydrogen price projections (see 'A Realistic Look at >> Hydrogen Price Projections', >> http://www.dotynmr.com/PDF/Doty_H2Price.pdf ) indicate hydrogen will >> cost 3 to 6 times what they are expecting, and the fuel cost per >> mile in the FC vehicle will be 4 to 8 times that in the advanced >> bio-diesel hybrid in 2025. >> >> The NAS/NAE report should have emphasized that next-generation >> biofuels for future transportation fuels need greatly increased >> attention and funding. Major investments are needed into advanced >> diesel hybrids, cellulosic ethanol, bio-methanol, high-oil algae, >> and advanced catalysts for standard fuels from methanol. >> >> For more detailed information on advanced biofuels, check out the >> following excellent articles: >> >> http://pubs.acs.org/email/cen/html/060804150713.html >> http://www.memagazine.org/pejun04/swineoil/swineoil.html >> http://www.dotynmr.com/PDF/Doty_FutureFuels.pdf . >> >> Responsible planning to avert a looming energy crisis would have us >> re-direct much of the hydrogen funding to next-generation liquid >> biofuels, renewable fertilizers, wind, and solar. With modest >> increases in funding of advanced concepts in liquid biofuels, much >> better options are possible. >> >> >> ******************************* >> F. David Doty, Ph.D. >> President >> Doty Scientific, Inc. >> 700 Clemson Rd. >> Columbia, SC 29229 >> Ph.: 803 788 6497 ext 307 >> Fax: 803 736 5495 >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Martin Klingensmith >> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 4:12 PM >> Subject: Re: [biofuel] How's Come Berkely is the Hot Bed of >> Forward Thinking. >> >> >> >> >> Phil Dodd wrote: >>> Sitting here in my south-central pennsylvania funk lamenting the >>> fact that when I talk biodiesel I am looked at like I have 2 heads. >>> Though there is a couple of seminars coming to the Washington D.C. >>> area next week and again in september. Are there any folks out here >>> in the hinterlands of the Mid-Atlantic states that are actually >>> making, using and spreading the word? Help save me from this desert >>> of forward thinking before my mind starts to atrophy here in the >>> land of the closed mind. >>> >>> Phil >>> >>> >> >> Hello Phil, >> I live in northern New York [no, the Catskills are not northern NY] >> I have been trying to get people interested for quite some time. It >> isn't easy and it's slow, but I've been letting people know for a >> couple >> years now that there are alternatives to petro-diesel and gasoline. >> I've >> also been dispelling the widespread myth that ethanol is bad. Why is >> it >> common belief that ethanol is a horrible fuel? >> >> -- >> -- >> Martin Klingensmith >> http://infoarchive.net/ >> http://nnytech.net/ > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! 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