Buck, you make a lot of sense. I found your text OK to read....but for the 
purists, perhaps someone could offer to edit it for you. (You sound very like 
my father, an old Fitter & Turner who has worked on ships & in 
industry/farming.)

regards Doug

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 08:39 am, Buck Williams wrote:
> there aint no such thing as a free lunch,,,,!!i havent figuredd howw to get
> theis to responnd to kparticularr posts sso i woll do itthis way  untill i
> get it riahgt,firsttt let me tell who and what i am, , i was retireddd
> millwright, mavnchinisst untill 3 yhears ago, my heart arrested, the
> dxamage is similaair to straoke,, intellect iss intact,,,,, coantroall is
> not,,, the brain knowsss how to spelll, the finddgers do not, pleaseeeee
> dojnn not ask me to correfct my spelling, or usse spelllcheck, if i could
> do that i woujld have been doing that three years ago, i dont remever much
> aboujt day beforeee yesterrday or last week with anay degreeee of
> accuraacy, but i rember 30, 20 ye3ars ago,i was a gas and staeaam turbine
> millwright,, i am ,was also precissisln machinist,,i will not respond in
> anay way to political or ereligious questions, my back groaund is highly
> technicalll, i had to undersstand how thisngs worked,,,, i will try to help
> in any waya in aresas that i am knowledgaable,, first to kim,, you canntot
> get freezing temps without putting some kind of energbgy into the sstystem,
> thats tanstafl, u may get mother nature to help,, i live in the high
> desert, the average humidityh is about 6-7 percent. sometimes lesss, we use
> evap coolerss to cool our house, (latent heat of evapoaration), it has
> fiber pads which are pumped with water, fan drawss air thru cooling the
> usual 105 d4egree air to about 75-80 and the waterr in the bottom of the
> pan is usulally about 60, thats mother nature helping,,,, if the humitdity
> is higher, 30-50 then the colller doesnt work very well, thats eficiency,,
> dryer,, more efficient,,, more humidity, less efficiendt,,,, your ground
> temp, 65 isnt bad,,, if you go down 12-14 most anyplace around the worlddd,
> except near the polses, or polar regions,,, you will find 68-70 degrees,,,,
> except in geothermal regions,  if your ground temp is 65,, possible,, then
> your 85 degree water temp in highlsy unlikely,, try this,,, wrap a large
> bucket with burlap,, arrange a drip so thaat it driops on the burlap, dont
> let the drp water drip inside the abucket, if yourhumiotdity lefel is low
> enough, you will get water cool enough to enjhoy drinking,i hope u wont
> athink this mean of me, but if u want somesting, u misst first understand
> what your asking for, and u cannot get a great energy exchange,, ambient to
> freezizng, without energy,, and if your ground temp is 65, and your waater
> temp is 85,,,?? have u measuredd the water temp just out ofthe ground, the
> more we know, the more we can help,i hope u ;wont think me rude, i have
> been thru this manyyyy times, soem poeple want there texxt deliverd to them
> without error,,, correct in syintax and punctuataion,, and these thisnks
> are not posssible with me, this is what i have,, the circuits are
> scaramled, and all the dirsire on my partt and all the reminddders from
> (regular) peo;oe will not help me, this is what i have, for the friend
> wanting to put pure o2 in your diesel,, dont dio it,, the dark smoke is
> engines response to temporary lug, overfuell, under rpm condition, the
> engine is getting enough fuelo for say 3000 rpm,, what u put into it wouty
> your accelerator pedal,, the engine wants tor  run 3000 but the loaddd at
> the time holds it to say 1000.. so u get smoke,,,, if you put o2 in
> thereeeee, oxy combines readily with hydrocarboan readily, even without
> compression,, oxy on oily handss or closthes has put many machanincs in the
> hopspital, if you put o2 form your medical oxy bottle,, you will mosst
> likely get a lawn ornament,as the fuel injection sysstem is very carefully
> engineeered fuel, air managemanet system,, and you will not be able to
> easily control the necessary input of oxy,, if any of this upsets you,,,
> say so and i will cheerfully withdraww, buck
>
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