Environmental problems for kerosene (paraffin to you, we think paraffin is
something you can jellies with) are the same as gasoline and diesel. It's a
finite fossil fuel that produces pollution and green house gases.

Why not do yourself a favor, and run ethanol in that petrol engine, or get a
diesel and run biodiesel or veggie oil.



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Hello all!

Is there anyone out there who has tried running a petrol motor on paraffin?
I know the timing needs retarding and that performance is terrible, but here
in Africa, the fuel is very, very cheap.

What are the environmental implications of burning the stuff and
implications for engine life?

Phil Rendel
English Department
Kingswood College,
Burton Street,
Grahamstown
tel. 046 603 6600
fax. 046 622 3084
cell: 084 448 1052


-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Keith Addison
Sent: 20 September 2004 08:26 PM
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Subject: Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol


>Ken.
>
>Please take a look at
>http://www.eesi.org/programs/agriculture/Energy%20Balance%20update.htm
>on Biofuels: energy balance.
>Hans

Very nice too Hans, thanks.

There's also this:

http://www.mda.state.mn.us/Ethanol/balance.html
Energy Balance/Life Cycle Inventory for Ethanol, Biodiesel and Petroleum
Fuels

And a whole lot more here:

http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_energy.html
Is ethanol energy-efficient?

Best

Keith


>----- Original Message -----
>From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 12:01 AM
>Subject: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol
>
>
> > > The reason the government is promoting ethanol
> > > production is because of the farm lobby. In general
> > > the production of ethanol is an energy loss. The
> > > fossil fuels used to plow, fertilize, ferment and
> > > distill ethanol require the input of more energy than
> > > is obtained from the ethanol produced.
> > > Ken
> > ==========================================
> > Sorry Ken, but your data is about 24 years behind the times. I believe
it
> > was a 1980 paper from Cornell U. or something similiar, that mentioned
> > that ethanol was energy negative. Some things never want to die.
> >
> > I remember stopping in Madison Wisconsin to gas up on my way to Chicago
a
> > few years ago. I pulled into a gas station and the gas station attendant
> > noticed my Minnesota lic. plates (read: 10% ethanol). He proudly
> > proclaimed that his gas had none of that worthless ethanol in it. I
asked
> > him what his feelings were about ethanol and he said it ruins engines. I
> > said, "Reeeally, I have over 200,000 miles on my truck and never had a
> > problem with the engine." He then asked me for the money owed for the
gas
> > and that was the end of that. 8~)
> >
> > Maybe ethanol isn't going to reduce oil dependency, but it will replace
> > the use of Methyl Tertiary Butyl Ether (MTBE). I believe 3.3 billion
> > gallons yearly of ethanol are being produced now. To replace all the
nasty
> > MTBE put in gas in the USA, they'll need another 11-12 billion gallons
of
> > ethanol for a 10% mix.
> >
> > When people live in California where MTBE is manufactured and they have
to
> > quit using it and ship in tank cars of ethanol....they will complain.
> > What's surprising is that California politicians that scream about
taking
> > care of the environment also don't want to ban the nasty MTBE and resort
> > to "importing" ethanol. Let them eat cake.
> >
> > Ron B.

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