You're a newcomer here, that was your first post, and you're making
some wrong assumptions. For one, it seems you're assuming that
everyone else is a newcomer too, that the list itself is a newcomer
and has no history. It has five years of history (43,000 messages,
thousands of members), and all this has been thrashed out before,
many times. Thrashing it out all over again just for your sake would
be (is being!) tedious.
So, as Ken said, please go and do your homework before you start
opinionating about all this here again. The list archives is not a
bad place to start (as recommended when you joined).
As it is, however much you've travelled and haven't travelled, you're
still going to see what you want to see and not see what you don't
want to see, as is evident.
Dressing this 20 years out-of-date denialist crap up as a valid
contemporary argument just won't wash here. None of us has *anything*
to thank this denialism for, quite the opposite - 20 years wasted,
and now it could be too late, thankyou very much indeed.
Twenty years ago people were muddying this issue by confusing climate
with weather like you're doing. Give us a break, eh?
Your views are only possible if you're unaware of a huge amount of
research, that has been well reported, even in the US. Without that
information you're not qualified to argue about it. Go and educate
yourself please. You're simply demonstrating how true this is (with
very many exceptions):
http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20050124/005160.html
[Biofuel] Dream On America
The rest of the planet gave up on the denial angle long ago, and so
did most of your own backyard, including most of your very own
national treasures of US climate-change denialism, such as the
Senate, the Pentagon, even the White House when forced.
Try these, for starters (please do!):
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/32435/
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/32566/
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/37934/
Plenty more there.
Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
KYOTO Pref., Japan
http://journeytoforever.org/
Biofuel list owner
No, I don't think I can feel the difference of 1 degree increase on
average, however, I can feel the difference of several degrees below
average.
I was in the US Navy for 5 years and went all over the globe (from
Kenya to Florida, not the Atlantic and Europe). The winters were
quite cold in some places and fairly warm in other places. The
summers were quite hot in some places and not so hot in other places.
I have been a pilot car driver since 1996 and have travelled from
Miami, Florida to Blaine, Washington and from Los Angeles,
California to Nova Scotia and from Mexico to various provinces in
Canada at different times of the year. Sometimes I ask people I
come into contact with if it is always that cold (wherever I am)
there and sometimes I am told, "No, usually it is a lot warmer."
Sometimes it us the opposite.
Other times I ask if it is always that hot (wherever I am) there and
I am told, "No, usually it is not this hot." In other places
sometimes it is hotter than usual, other places, not.
Yes, the world has droughts, heat waves etc. in various parts of it,
but that has been going on for thousands of years (check
archeological findings) and even at the arctic regions extinct
animals have been found with tropical plants in their stomachs.
I did look over the NASA site about "If there is global warming, why
am I freezing my butt off?" It is interesting, but it seems it was
pinpointing on a month or a season of deviation, though it mentioned
dates in the 1800's.
The weatherman that I watch usually puts the record highs and record
lows on each day. These records stretch across a century.
So, I am wondering if outside forces have anything to do with
anything here (sun spots, jet stream paths, gravitational pull of
the various bodies, R-12 being released in huge amounts during NASA
rocket lift offs, commercial corporations' agendas which ties into
political agendas, etc). When temperatures deviate from the norm
(what the heck is that, anyway), depending on the depth of
deviation, it can throw the averages off quite a bit. And
statistics have been proven to be great avenues of misinformation.
By the way, who or what was blamed for the end of the ice age (wall
street, no doubt - works for me :-0)?
Mick
From: Andrew Cunningham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Global Warming Approaching Point of No
Return,Warns Leading Climate Expert
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:21:14 -0500
Mick,
Can you feel the difference of 1 degree increase on average?
Andy
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:56:42 -0600, Mickey *B**
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As I sit here freezing, in temperatures colder than normal, I have a hard
> time swallowing the "global warming" concept.
>
> Mick
And...
Considering the fact that the sun only radiates so much heat per
minute, hour, day or year, your "colder than normal" means that
someone else has a "hotter than normal." And due to the fact that
neither "hotter than normal" and "colder than normal" are exactly
quantitative in their expression, it's all rather hard to put much
weight on such itinerate "data."
Doesn't mean that you can't have a difficult time believing it. But
nor does it mean that just because something gets stuck in one's
craw that it's not a reality.
Think global warming's bad? Wait till you see global cooling.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0130-11.htm
Todd Swearingen
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Yeah, what is "normal" anyway except some people claiming to be
meteorologists say they have been taking the temperature of a
certain location for umpteen years and such and such temperature is
"normal?"
It is a clever setup, this world of ours. One would think that the
constant twirling of the winds and the natural dissipation of higher
temperatures to lower temperatures would eventually give us a
somewhat even temperature all around the globe, but nooooo! We
still have hot spots and cold spots and in-between spots. Heck, it
even snowed south of San Antonio, Texas this winter without so much
as a small layer of frost on my yard.
Of course, there are other sources of heat, such as from forest
fires, lightning, mammalian bodies, internal combustion engines,
burning oil fields and volcanoes, bar-b-que pits, friction, those of
us who are full of hot air :-), etc.
And, yes, reality exists whether or not we believe it.
Mick
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