G'day Hakan;
----- Original Message ----- From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution
Luc,
Sorry but my earlier reply was sent by itself and without following comment.
You are right, but I think that many Christians also should learn
"respect or please keep their crap for them self". It is numerous
times that I met representatives for the Christian religion, that
in an abusive way promote their religion and demand respect for it,
without them self having any respect for what others belive in.
This I say, even because my denomination would officially and by
birth be Christian protestant.
I am sorry, but I fail to see in what way Ken did not show respect,
he declared what be belive and did a general comment about
religious variant in general. In mathematics X stand for unknown
denomination
And were we speaking of mathematics I would agree.
and I think that in this case it was meant as such.
You can believe that if you want to,however anyone who has been
around confirmed atheists for any amount of time knows more than
well that the "X" is a lot more than a generic symbol. It is meant
the way it was used. Like "X"mas is.
There's some kind of denigration implicit in Xmas? It's just
"informal, short for Christmas". Hakan's meaning for X is the second
one listed, a symbol for an unknown or variable factor; 6th is the
symbol for Christ, Christian, from the form of the Greek letter khi,
X, first letter of Khristos, Christ. I read "X-tian" in this case as
a mix of #6 and #2. I didn't see any lack of respect in it.
I think I'd not be alone in that, when someone says they're a
Christian, I'd want to know what kind of Christian - an unknown,
variable factor indeed. If I didn't know that, "X-tian" might be
rather apt. "He's religious, he says he's a Christian."
Ken said: "... much less an X-tian like our rulers would have you
believe". What those particular rulers would definitely have you
believe is that that would be *their* version of a Christian. Many
Christians here, and many others too, don't accept that that is a
genuine Christian at all. I don't think you accept it either, do you?
Rightwing so-called "fundamentalist" allegedly Christian
dispensationalists who are utterly intolerant and seem to know
nothing of "God is love" or the Sermon on the Mount but rather crave
the destruction of all life and make it soon? Have these people even
read the Gospels? There's not much evidence of it. I've called them
an "evil cult" before this. Christians? I don't think so.
I was brought up as Hakan was but I'm neither a Christian nor an
atheist. I've had much experience of both, and though there've been
many exceptions on both sides, in general I've seen more intolerance
in Christians than in atheists. Whatever they might have believed, as
far as the way they behaved was concerned, some of the atheists were
better Christians than some of the Christians were.
Christians even joke about their intolerance, like this one: "A man
was walking across a bridge one day, and he saw a man standing on the
edge about to jump off. He said, I ran over to him and, said Stop;
don't do it'. "Why shouldn't I?" the man said. I said, "Well there is
so much to live for." He said, "Like what?" I said, "Well are you
religious or atheist?" He said, "Religious." I said, "Me too. Are you
Christian or Buddhist?" He said, "Christian." I said, "Me too! Are
you Catholic or Protestant?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "You
are?!? Wow," I said, "so am I! Are you Protestant Church of God, or
Protestant Church of God the Lord?" He said, "Protestant Church of
God." I said in my excitement, "My brother, me too! Are you original
Protestant Church of God, or Reformed Church of God?" He said,
"Reformed Church of God." I could hardly contain myself. "My brother,
me too! Are you Reformed Protestant Church of God of 1879, or are you
Reformed Protestant Church of God Reformed 1915?" He said, "Reformed
Protestant Church of God Reformation of 1915." I shouted, "Die
heretic," and pushed him off the bridge."
You can find that story in several different church sermons on the
web, with quite a wide variety of lessons drawn from it, according to
the type of church.
I don't think the "sacred cow" case is a good comparison, or any
comparison. That was a case of a disparaging colonial-era usage
surviving in common parlance well past its use-by date, everybody
accepted Pan's objection as valid, some valuable lessons came from it
and we found a resolution ("false sacred cow"). I don't see that it
has anythng in common with this.
Regards
Keith
Why are you so upset by not being especially mentioned, was it the
lack of attention to your specific case?
I am sorry to disappoint you but I do not suffer from adolescent
temper tantrumus (my word).
Luc - pinning for attention.....ha!
Hakan
X-tian or whatever.
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