Hi Hal ;
Yes good advice. I had worded it a little
differently, but same idea, ie. selective felling of
the less desired species to make room for the desired
species to grow adequately. Without felling a few
trees to open the canopy I had experience that new
platings of the more desired species won't be
productive. Sounds a lot better than clear cutting,
which seems to be an accepted practise for clearing
land before reforesting. Phasing it in, and carefully
at that, sounds like a much better idea.
Best Regards,
Peter G.
--- Hal Hewett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Guag:
> Seems a good approach would be to effect a gradual
> transition. I gather you're in Thailand and no
> nothing
> of that region, but I do work in forestry in Canada
> and am semi reliant on biofuels.
> There is no such thing as a useless tree--- promote
> the harvesting of less desired species and restock
> as
> you go.
> Have Fun, HRMH
> --- Guag Meister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hello Keith ;
> >
> > I really and truly have no ulterior motive for
> > asking
> > this question, and I'm at a loss as to understand
> > why
> > it has generated such controvery. It was never my
> > intention.
> >
> > When I click "respond", Yahoo truncates a long
> > response message about half way through with a
> > mwessage "==message truncated==". I had to open a
> > text window of the "unresponded" message and cut
> and
> > paste your post and then type in the ">" and line
> > feeds to show your original post. Just trying to
> > respond to the important points and keep it as
> brief
> > as possible. If it mislead anyone than I am truly
> > sorry.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Peter G.
> > Thailand
> >
> > --- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Peter
> > >
> > > >Hi Keith ;
> > > >
> > > >Oh boy,
> > >
> > > Uh-huh?
> > >
> > > >I guess I'll try one more time to ask this
> > > >hypothetical question and then I'll leave it
> > alone.
> > > >
> > > >In the case of a standing forest of small
> trees,
> > > the
> > > >preponderance of which are have a 3 sigma size
> > > >distribution of 10 cm +/- 5 cm as a result of
> > many
> > > >decades of non-sustainable pilaging by the
> local
> > > >people where any trees with perceived local
> > > >utilization were removed, and additionally
> where
> > I
> > > >have identified the species of tree and
> > determined
> > > >that it presented no medicinal, culinary, or
> > > materials
> > > >benefit, and additionally where I, in
> conjunction
> > > with
> > > >the local people, determined that the clear
> > > ecological
> > > >benefit of the tree would be significantly
> better
> > > >provided by a multi-purpose tree, and therefore
> > we
> > > >would like to transition the forest in a
> > > sustainable
> > > >manner towards the much acclaimed multi purpose
> > > use,
> > > >how do we gently cause the transition in a
> > > sustainable
> > > >manner?
> > > >
> > > > > Oh, you cut it down? Are you
> > > > > sure you're not going to regret that?
> > > >
> > > >So then you are saying not to cut it down?
> > >
> > > I'm saying what I'm saying, and I said somewhat
> > more
> > > than just the
> > > last few words:
> > >
> > > >>Not too many of this size and I guess we just
> > need
> > > to
> > > >>define our terms. What do you call a tree 5 cm
> > at
> > > the
> > > >>base? 30 cm? 1 meter? 2 meters?
> > > >
> > > >It depends which particular tree you mean. Not
> > just
> > > which species,
> > > >which tree. What would you call call a tree 5
> cm
> > at
> > > the base? What
> > > >will you call it in five years' time? Oh, you
> cut
> > > it down? Are you
> > > >sure you're not going to regret that?
> > >
> > > Same here, from below:
> > >
> > > > > > My question much more basic : what happens
> > to
> > > the
> > > > > > existing forest when you try to transform
> it
> > > to
> > > >these
> > > > > >wonderful species? I'm assuming that most
> of
> > > it
> > > >gets
> > > > > >cut down.
> > > >
> > > > > Why should it be?
> > > >
> > > >Then you are saying don't cut it down?
> > >
> > > Sorry Peter, if you want a book of rules or a
> > > technical operating
> > > manual you won't get them from me, nor any more
> > > broad sweeping
> > > generalised statements than you've already had.
> > >
> > > > > Have you looked
> > > > > at the big databases, like NewCrop, the
> > Handbook
> > > of
> > > > > Energy Crops,
> > > > > Plants For A Future?
> > > >
> > > >No I didn't know they existed. This is
> precisely
> > > why
> > > >I am here posting these questions.
> > >
> > > But one of them at least is listed on the Trees
> > page
> > > at our site that
> > > you said didn't have any information. They're
> all
> > on
> > > our site, and in
> > > the list archives.
> > >
> > > >genuinely usable only as firewood. Asking the
> > > >question what to do with these trees in this
> case
> > > is
> > > >absolutely valid, even if the answer is to do
> > > nothing
> > > >at all with them.
> > >
> > > It is not valid when the only information you
> have
> > > provided on them
> > > is their girth.
> > >
> > > This is a classic miscommunication (look at the
> > > original for a comparison):
> > >
> > > > > I was VERY
> > > > > gratified to find that each time I dug a
> hole
> > I
> > > soon
> > > > > hit the remains
> > > > > of an old tree-stump! Right on top, every
> > time.
> > > Cut
> > > > > down and burnt.
> > > > > So I got it right, as the original farmers
> had
> > > also
> > > > > got it right.
> > > > > You're looking for a list of instructions to
> > > tell
> > > > > you how to do that?
> > > >
> > > >Not at all. I'm not asking how to plant
> desired
> > > >species when existing trees have been cut, I'm
> > > asking
> > > >how to plant desired specied when existing
> trees
>
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