Thanx for the feedback Dick. Definetly something to consider. I'm actually looking at both VVO and WVO as feedstock. Something along the lines of D1 and D2. (or rather BD1 & BD2)
Ultimatly I'm looking at having an extruder on the property and processing the oil myself. This is still a very experimental part of the plan at this time. I need to learn more about oil extrusion and daily operating cost and volumes. The ultimate purpose of this whole project is to bring the profits closer to home for the farmers and keep my cost low. I currently have my recovery cost figured for WVO at $.25 (USD) per gallon. Ester treatment at ~$.65 per gallon plus distribution cost. (This cost include the use of a methane recovery machine.) I'm still trying to find current solid figures for VVO. If you have any please forward them to me or point me in the right direction. Also where would one go to purchase a few tankers worth of VVO? Is anyone on this list already in commercial production. If so do you have a gas chromo on your premises are have your contracted with lab to do your testing. I'm not liscensed to fly one of those things, just curious to see how ASTM standards are met. Thanks again Dick. cheers, cordain dulles, va From: "Dick Carlstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com To: <biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [biofuels-biz] WVO based Biz Plan Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:28:59 -0300 List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in answer to : From: doctor who To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 7:53 AM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: Biz Plan (was)Quiet... My biggest challenge thus far has....has been finding an adequate WVO oil supply to keep up with my propossed plant size (1000 US Gallons input per 24 hours period). imho, a 4000 liter/day commercial biodiesel operation will eventually find itself painted into the proverbial corner. here's why: 1) pretty much inelastic supply. people can eat just so much bread, and use just so much oil. so supply in your area will be a function of demographics, more than any single factor. 2) thus, pick-up costs will escalate with volume, as the geographical area expands to meet increased feedstock needs. 3) wvo processing is costlier than vvo ditto. also less effective (biodiesel/wvo). and requires more initial capital input. 4) wvo often has an existing market. present users of same are not simply going to lie down and die. 5) 'cheap is expensive'. getting uniform biodiesel quality from wvo is a lot harder than getting the same quality from vvo. so what's the bottom line ? i would hazard that in the long run, wvo input costs will go up, as flexible demand meets inflexible supply, pick-up geography expands, and quality requirements go up. what is certainly an excellent cottage industry might turn out to be difficult to scale up, as you're finding out with your project. i am aware that fairly large operations are being run on wvo, but these appear to be based on corporate agreements, something like proverbial macd negotiating to sell all of it's propietary wvo (don't know about franchises) to a single buyer, in a given area, on a contractual basis. established wvo pick-up operators usually have contracts to supply industries such as animal feed, or soap. personally, i have espoused vvo as the feedstock of choice for our plants, it makes life so much simpler, has smaller fixed capital requirements and process costs, and delivers reliable quality. and last but not least, obtaining large quantities of vvo, on a regular, programmable, basis, is as easy as a phone call. two cents is all you get (:-D) cheers, dick. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
