hi all, the answer is very simple, you just have to calculate:
if you want to produce lets say 40.000 t/a, you have to invest about $ 3.000.000,- for a continuous plant. If the costs of investment for producing 1 t/a in a batch-plant is $ 300,-, you would have to invest $ 12.000.000,- to produce 40.000 t/a. Any further questions? So find partners, make a business-plan to get venture capital, get the raw-materials, and build your own multi-feedstoch-big-scale plant which produces top-quality biodiesel. What is lokal in the states or in south america or in Australia? If you build three to five plants in every state, you have a local level and can deliver your customers much cheaper - if you can get cheap raw-materials the return of investment should be about three years... Best regards Richard -----UrsprŸngliche Nachricht----- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] t.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] s.onelist.com]Im Auftrag von Keith Addison Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. August 2001 14:29 An: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Betreff: [biofuels-biz] Re: standards for the next decade Hi Harry, Mauro and all >Hi Mauro, good post. > I have been working with palm oil, for my own use (mostly cotton >seed for others)The POME may have a MP of 14C but when blended its' >clog point seems much lower. This winter I used 50% POME at down >to -5C air temp with no problems. The setting point would not deter >me from using it for commercial production. Extracting the high MP >component creates an excellent cutting compound for metal work and >can be sold at the markets for up to $5/litre, its probably worth >more. That's an interesting one. How do you extract it? In cold weather it'd settle out, I guess. >In the tropical regions where the plants would mostly be built the MP >shouldn't be a problem. I do not understand how a $3000000 continuous >plant can produce cheaper bio than a series of batch plants with a >similar capacity. Especially if the regions biodieselers form a co-op >to buy the reagents at bulk prices and distribute their product >cheaply. The costs of servicing that amount of capital can create the >type of problem that we wish to solve. The technology needs to be in >the hands of the poor. Yes, and well put. So many of us see it this way - decentralised energy production, small-scale, local-level, local energy self-sufficiency. I sometimes think this aspect could be just as important as the other positive aspects of biofuels - clean, carbon-neutral, renewable-sustainable. Possibly even more so: it was suggested recently on the biofuels list that if in 10 years or so ethanol has hit the big-time in the US under the control of the likes of ADM, Cargill, etc, we'll be fighting them tooth and nail, as we now fight Big Oil. As Steve Spence said, it's possible to do anything badly. Small-scale, distributed production is the answer, IMHO. >I have built a 1ton capacity unit for less >than $300us. The expense was in the electronic thermostat and high >temperature pump--scrap metal dealers come across the most amazing >containers. >Regards from Harry--I have lost my voice I could use some of that >mead right now. Purely therapeutic you understand Weak tea, hot (no milk), a tot of brandy, crushed mint, lots of honey, juice of one lemon - might help, if not, leave out the tea, lemon, mint, honey and excuses! Hope you're better soon. Regards Keith Addison >--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mauro Knudsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Dick: > > You can«t buy palm oil at this prices ($220/tn) today«s price in >Rotterdam is 342 $/tn , suppoust that you can buy big quantities in >malasia at $ 280/tn more $20/tn for transport. You can get Palm Oil >at $300/Tn, but procesing of palm oil into biodiesel isn«t the same >thing that procesing soybean, sunflower or rapeseed oil into >biodiesel. Because palm oil have a very high melting point, about 35 >to 38 ¼C, and the Palm Oil Metil Ester (POME) has a so much high >melting point, about 14 ¼C, you must add soo much anti-frezing >aditive or lost soo much material winterizing to allow a melting >point of about - 5 ¼C. Allways you will lost about 30 $/tn to 50 $/tn >(including the amortization of additional equipment). > > Best regards, > > Mauro Ariel Knudsen. > > Argentinean Biodieseler > > > > > > > > Dick Carlstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribi—: > > *you can land palm oil in oz for under u$s 220 a ton. this should >result in u$s 0.25 a litre for biodiesel, tops, ex factory. how much >are you paying for fossil these days ? > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > ÀLo probaste? > > Gratis y para toda la vida: Correo Yahoo!. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >Biofuels at Journey to Forever >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >Biofuel at WebConX >http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Your use of Yahoo! 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