Hi Richard >hi all, > >the answer is very simple, you just have to calculate: > >if you want to produce lets say 40.000 t/a, you have to invest about $ >3.000.000,- for a continuous plant. If the costs of investment for producing >1 t/a in a batch-plant is $ 300,-, you would have to invest $ 12.000.000,- >to produce 40.000 t/a. > >Any further questions?
A couple. Where does the $300 for a 1 t/a batch-plant come from? I had a processor that could have produced 2 t/a that cost me exactly nothing, and I'm not the only one. Note that such a processor and such quantities will almost certainly be for own-use, which is a different ball-game. Also, it's not quite so simple, in many scenarios. Local self-reliance in energy is something that can have many other values. On a farm, for instance, especially a well-integrated mixed farm, and especially one using sustainable methods; or amongst a group of such farmers, or within a farming community. Particularly in poor rural communities in Third World areas, where such projects can help to kick-start many other initiatives and can be a general growth-point. Small-scale local plants seem to be quite capable of making high-quality biodiesel, by all accounts. Regards Keith Addison >So find partners, make a business-plan to get venture capital, get the >raw-materials, and build your own multi-feedstoch-big-scale plant which >produces top-quality biodiesel. What is lokal in the states or in south >america or in Australia? If you build three to five plants in every state, >you have a local level and can deliver your customers much cheaper - if you >can get cheap raw-materials the return of investment should be about three >years... > >Best regards > >Richard > >-----UrsprŸngliche Nachricht----- >Von: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >t.com >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >s.onelist.com]Im Auftrag von Keith Addison >Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. August 2001 14:29 >An: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com >Cc: biofuel@yahoogroups.com >Betreff: [biofuels-biz] Re: standards for the next decade > > >Hi Harry, Mauro and all > > >Hi Mauro, good post. > > I have been working with palm oil, for my own use (mostly cotton > >seed for others)The POME may have a MP of 14C but when blended its' > >clog point seems much lower. This winter I used 50% POME at down > >to -5C air temp with no problems. The setting point would not deter > >me from using it for commercial production. Extracting the high MP > >component creates an excellent cutting compound for metal work and > >can be sold at the markets for up to $5/litre, its probably worth > >more. > >That's an interesting one. How do you extract it? In cold weather >it'd settle out, I guess. > > >In the tropical regions where the plants would mostly be built the MP > >shouldn't be a problem. I do not understand how a $3000000 continuous > >plant can produce cheaper bio than a series of batch plants with a > >similar capacity. Especially if the regions biodieselers form a co-op > >to buy the reagents at bulk prices and distribute their product > >cheaply. The costs of servicing that amount of capital can create the > >type of problem that we wish to solve. The technology needs to be in > >the hands of the poor. > >Yes, and well put. So many of us see it this way - decentralised >energy production, small-scale, local-level, local energy >self-sufficiency. I sometimes think this aspect could be just as >important as the other positive aspects of biofuels - clean, >carbon-neutral, renewable-sustainable. Possibly even more so: it was >suggested recently on the biofuels list that if in 10 years or so >ethanol has hit the big-time in the US under the control of the likes >of ADM, Cargill, etc, we'll be fighting them tooth and nail, as we >now fight Big Oil. As Steve Spence said, it's possible to do anything >badly. Small-scale, distributed production is the answer, IMHO. > > >I have built a 1ton capacity unit for less > >than $300us. The expense was in the electronic thermostat and high > >temperature pump--scrap metal dealers come across the most amazing > >containers. > >Regards from Harry--I have lost my voice I could use some of that > >mead right now. Purely therapeutic you understand > >Weak tea, hot (no milk), a tot of brandy, crushed mint, lots of >honey, juice of one lemon - might help, if not, leave out the tea, >lemon, mint, honey and excuses! Hope you're better soon. > >Regards > >Keith Addison > > >--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mauro Knudsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello Dick: > > > You can«t buy palm oil at this prices ($220/tn) today«s price in > >Rotterdam is 342 $/tn , suppoust that you can buy big quantities in > >malasia at $ 280/tn more $20/tn for transport. You can get Palm Oil > >at $300/Tn, but procesing of palm oil into biodiesel isn«t the same > >thing that procesing soybean, sunflower or rapeseed oil into > >biodiesel. Because palm oil have a very high melting point, about 35 > >to 38 ¼C, and the Palm Oil Metil Ester (POME) has a so much high > >melting point, about 14 ¼C, you must add soo much anti-frezing > >aditive or lost soo much material winterizing to allow a melting > >point of about - 5 ¼C. Allways you will lost about 30 $/tn to 50 $/tn > >(including the amortization of additional equipment). > > > Best regards, > > > Mauro Ariel Knudsen. > > > Argentinean Biodieseler > > > > > > > > > > > > Dick Carlstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribi—: > > > *you can land palm oil in oz for under u$s 220 a ton. this should > >result in u$s 0.25 a litre for biodiesel, tops, ex factory. how much > >are you paying for fossil these days ? 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