RE: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:25:10 -0700

Hello Tim,
 
Being out of touch with major media in the U.S. may actually be a good idea. Fox news is generally viewed by folks like me as part of the neoconservative propaganda machine. CNN is a bit better but not by leaps and bounds. Where do you usually obtain your news from? On television I look to the BBC for U.S. news mostly on Sundays. Still quite a slant but at least some opposing opinion is permitted. I don't have much access to newspapaers but I tend to read the Atlantic Monthly and Harpers when I can latch onto a copy this far South. I imagine you know that we invaded Iraq a few years back. So far over 1800 of our troops have been killed and more than 27,000 Iraqis. Of that number about 20% are women and children. These are very conservative figures for the Iraqis. So at a minimum our "Collateral Damage" total of dead women and children is 5400 or fairly close to double the 9/11 attacks. BTW, not many folks believe Saddam had anything to do with 9/11. He had no weapons of mass destruction. The Bush administration pretty much knew this and attacked without U.N. support. All this to get Iraq's oil. That's why I threw in the covet part. The slaughter is obvious but the murder has to have a reason and that is coveting our neighbor's oil. The U.S. does not recognize the authority of any international court with regard to it's citizens and especially it's military and government officials. I could go on about things like Gitmo, breaking our own Consitution and torture. But as Keith has so often told me, it's in the archieves. Start reading for yourself. It might cause you to begin burning candles at night. If your old enough how about Nam in the Sand. It will definitely make you wonder what's happened to our once proud country. There's even answers to that question available, too
 
Tom Irwin 

From: Tim Schlueter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:44:41 -0300
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

Tom,

 

Why do you quote 9th and 10th Commandment to me?  I haven’t forced my religious views on anyone.  There are civil and international laws that apply to stealing if that is to what you are referring.  I believe that would equate to the 7th commandment.  Now if you are implying that a country is using “legal” means to scheme or entice another country to involuntarily give up their property, that would be 9th and 10th Commandment issues.  I’m sure there are others on this list that are better informed on these matters than I so someone correct me if need be.

 

Let’s get back to your original comment.  I don’t have cable or satellite so I don’t watch TV.  I really am sorry but I still don’t understand your point.  I will feel really silly if your comment was sarcastic, which I’m getting the feeling it was, and I didn’t get it.

 

Tim

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tom Irwin
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 5:36 PM
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

 

Hi Tim,

 

You mean they don´t have Fox News and CNN in Missouri. Perhaps this will help. When someone goes into another country to take what belongs to that country they are breaking this one.

 

You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor." 

 

You do understand that on don´t you Tim. I think last part applies to oil. What do you think?

 

Tom Irwin

 

From: Tim Schlueter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 16:25:25 -0300
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country


Tom,

 

Not sure I understand.  Please elaborate.

 

Tim

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tom Irwin
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:25 PM
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

 

Hi Tim and all,

 

You mean it's like Fox News and CNN but in reverse?

 

Tom Irwin

 

From: Tim Schlueter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:42:33 -0300
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

Chris,

Given the context the statement leaned toward either legitimate
government involvement from any number of agencies, or downright
censorship. That card game is quite derogatory toward many gov't
officials and business leaders. It spins a grain of truth to whip up
frenzy within conspiracy theory groups and other anti-government/big
business, Bush-bashing circles. No card game can reflect reality. A
person's objectivity can be compromised by this sort of stuff. The game
may be banned on Ebay because nobody will claim ownership. Marilyn
brought it to our attention. Perhaps she would care to defend her
statement.

Tim

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