I once sent them (Oral Roberts?) a brick. They were asking for 25.00 to buy a brick, so I sent them a letter saying I could get a much better price and did they want more. Cost me something like 4.00 for 4th class postage but it was worth it.
Manick Harris wrote: > Hi everybody, > I do not know about Robertson, but thereare many so-called > 'evangelists' whose sole purpose is to collect money from naive > believers. My late mother once donated !R 200 to a well known TV > evangelist.and received a hasty letter back from the guy stating that > it wasn't enough even for one brick. God, what kind of bricks do you > use anyway. The Indian evangelists often use resurrection trick to con > target groups into parting with large amounts of cash. When one such > fellow who was claiming how he resurrected a corpse noticed how I was > frowning he turned me in anger. With these guys no public accounts are > kept at all and everything goes into their pocket. One fellow here was > exorcising a young girl with her dress up and sitting on him, not > knowing a police party was watching him...I think anyone who collects > money should be accountable to prevent fraud of the divine kind. LOL > > */BT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: > > Greetings fellow revolutionary alchemists! > > The question I have is, How do we help separate the good-hearted > followers from their devious leaders? > > For example: > I often forward news and interesting articles (much of which I > find on this list, thanks to you all) to a few friends and > family. I never get any responses. One of my friends I know is a > 700 Club 'member' and his church preaches along the same political > lines. After forwarding the news about Robertson's comments, I > received this reply from my friend: > -------- > "He is a passionate man who speaks from his heart and who has said > some stupid stuff in the past and probably will say some stupid > things in the future but he apologized and that's good in my > book. Heck, it's alot more than most political or public figures > would do." > > > "Is it right to call for assassination? No, and I apologize for > that statement," Robertson said. "I spoke in frustration that we > should accommodate the man who thinks the U.S. is out to kill him." > > http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/24/robertson.chavez/index.html > > -------- > To which I responded with a more complete quote from Robertson's > "apology", a page of links relating to Robertson's money-making > operations in Africa (included at the bottom of this long email, > in case anyone is interested) and a comment: > > "Obviously Pat Robertson does not have any business interests in > common with Hugo Chavez, otherwise Robertson would be defending > Chavez instead of condemning him." > > My friend's reply: > ------ > > "I heard from a story on NPR the other day regarding a current > State Governor that when in the political spotlight and "riding a > white horse" the dirt shows up easier. Too many resources have > been wasted on putting Pat Roberts[on] on public "trial". > Everyone knows that he is a religous man but the primary word in > that description is "man". He is not God. Man makes mistakes. > When shadey politicians make mistakes it's OK because nobody > expects them to be perfect. I wish the world would focus on > solutions to problems instead of dwelling on the faults of man. > > Spread that comment around the Internet and see where it gets you." > ------ > > Ok, so it's spreading. :-) > > My friend is no fool. He is perfectly capable of thinking > logically and rationally. But from this irrational reply, I think > we have clearly reached the point where my friend is not really > defending Robertson but is actually defending himself since he > sees himself associated with Robertson. > > If anyone has ever had the opportunity to watch a 700 Club > broadcast, you will notice how softly and pleasantly they speak > about helping the poor around the world and healing people. They > give the impression of being 'good Christians' and that is how > they get the cash from their listeners, who see their donation as > doing something good to help others. > > So I can see how it would be easy to get sucked into their influence. > > For us on the 'outside', it is easy to view Robertson as a crazy > demagogue on one hand and an astute, greedy business man on the other. > > But what does it take for those on the 'inside' to look at > Robertson (or Bush or whoever) and say, "I've been deceived. That > is not what I support."; to separate themselves from the object of > criticism? > > I think that does happen in some cases. Or maybe, in other cases > the people haven't been deceived, but they just don't care which > means that they really aren't any different than the 'leader'. > > I hope I'm not delving into some social-psychology mumbo-jumbo > that no-one is interested in? > > BT > > ------------------------------------------------ > > Obviously Pat Robertson does not have any business interests in > common with Hugo Chavez, otherwise Robertson would be defending > Chavez instead of condemning him. > > --------- > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Robertson#Robertson.27s_advocacy_of_assassination_of_Venezuelan_President_Hugo_Ch.C3.A1vez > > On the August 24 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_24> edition > of /The 700 Club,/ Robertson attempted to clarify that he hadn't > actually calling for Chávez's assassination, but that there were > other ways of "taking him out", such as having special forces > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_forces> carry out a > kidnapping <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping>. Robertson > flatly denied using the word "assassination", despite video tape > evidence that he did.[11] <http://mediamatters.org/items/200508240005> > > Later that day, he issued a written statement in which he said, > "Is it right to call for assassination? No, and I apologize for > that statement." However, he continued to justify his original > stance and called Chávez "a dangerous enemy to our south, > controlling a huge pool of oil that could hurt us very badly".[12] > <http://www.cbn.com/about/pressrelease_hugochavez.asp> > > He went on in the written statement to accuse Chávez of > involvement with terrorism: "Col. Chavez [sic] has found common > cause with terrorists such as the noted assassin Carlos the Jackal > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_the_Jackal>, has visited Iran > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran> reportedly to gain access to > nuclear technology, and has referred to Saddam Hussein > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein> and Fidel Castro > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidel_Castro> as his comrades. Col. > Chavez also intends to fund the violent overthrow of > democratically elected governments throughout South America, > beginning with neighboring Colombia > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombia>." [13] > <http://www.cbn.com/about/pressrelease_hugochavez.asp> > > Again in the statement, Robertson then indirectly compared Chávez > with Adolf Hitler <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler> by > remembering German <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany> > evangelical pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietrich_Bonhoeffer>'s opposition to > the Nazi <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi> regime and support > for the assassination of Hitler. > > --------------- > > http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/Pat_Robertson > Robertson's net worth is between $200 million and $1 billion > dollars according to the 2002 book /The Best Democracy Money Can > Buy > > <http://www.powells.com/search/DTSearch/search?searchfor=The%20Best%20Democracy%20Money%20Can%20Buy;x=13;y=3;partner_id=29007;cgi=search%2Fsearch;searchtype=kw>/ > by Greg Palast <http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/Greg_Palast>. > > In various episodes of his /700 Club/ program during the United > States' involvement in the Liberian Civil War in June and July of > 2003, Robertson repeatedly supported Liberian President Charles > Taylor. Robertson accuses the U.S. State Department > <http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/U.S._State_Department> of > giving President Bush > <http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/George_W._Bush> bad advice in > supporting Taylor's ouster as president, and of trying "as hard as > they can to destabilize Liberia." > > Robertson failed to mention however in his broadcasts his $8 > million investment in a Liberian gold mine. Taylor had been at the > time of Robertson's support indicted by the United Nations > <http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/United_Nations> for war crimes. > > (http://www.ethicalatheist.com/docs/robertson_bin_laden.html > In 1998, Robertson formed _Freedom Gold Limited_, an offshore > company registered in the Cayman Islands but based at CBN > headquarters in Virginia Beach. It's a gold-mining venture in > Liberia in partnership with _Charles Taylor_. The U.S. and U.N. > have condemned Taylor's ties with terrorism. The U.S. imposed > economic sanctions on Taylor's Liberian government. > _ > Charles Taylor_, a person the Washington Post calls "one of the > most ruthless, greedy and terror-producing heads of state in all > of sub-Saharan Africa".) > > > Pat Robertson's Gold > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A7124-2001Sep21 > > --------- > Pat Robertson-- Humanitarian > http://www.patrobertson.com/humanitarian/ > --------- > > Through his ostensibly charitable organization, Operation Blessing > International > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Blessing_International>, > Robertson claims to have spent $1.2 million bringing aid to > refugees <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee> in Rwanda > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwanda>. His critics, such as > Palast, claim the money was actually spent to bring heavy > equipment for Robertson's African Development Corporation > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=African_Development_Corporation&action=edit>, > a diamond <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond> mining > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining> operation. > > (http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=49&row=1 > > There was also, says Volder, the $7m he gave to 'Operation > Blessing' to alleviate the woes of refugees fleeing genocide in > Rwanda. Robertson's press operation puts the sum at only $1.2m. > More interesting is the way the Operation Blessing funds were used > in Africa. Through an emotional fundraising drive on his TV > station, Robertson raised several million dollars for the tax-free > charitable trust. Operation Blessing bought planes to shuttle > medical supplies in and out of the refugee camp in Goma, Congo > (then Zaire). > > But investigative reporter Bill Sizemore of the Virginian Pilot > discovered that over a six-month period - except for one medical > flight - the planes were used to haul equipment for something > called African Development Corporation, a diamond mining operation > a long way from Goma. African Development is owned by Pat Robertson. > > Did Robertson know about the diversion of the relief planes? > According to pilots' records, he actually flew on one plane > ferrying equipment to his mines. > > One of Robertson's former business partners recalled that, > although he often travelled in the minister's jet, he never saw > Robertson crack open a Bible. 'Everywhere we were flying he had > the Wall Street Journal and Investors' Daily.') > > (http://www.skeptictank.org/robem2.htm > In April, 1997 two pilots who worked for Operation Blessing > charged that planes linked to Robertson and his ministry flew > mostly to haul equipment for ADC's private diamond operation. > Robert Hinkle, the chief pilot told reporter Bill Sizemore that of > about 40 flights within Zaire during the half-year period he was > there, "Only one or at most two" were related to the humanitarian > mission of Operation Blessing. The rest were "mining-related." > > "We got over there and we had 'Operation Blessing' painted on the > tails of the airplanes, Hinkle told the Virginian-Pilot, "but we > were doing no humanitarian relief at all. We were just supplying > the miners and flying the dredges from Kinshasa out to Tdshikapa.") > > Has purchased thoroughbred race horses, although has stated on > many occasions he is opposed to gambling. Robertson claims he > bought the horses because he is "amazed by their athleticism". > > --------- > > *Pat Robertson and Liberian Gold* > http://www.theperspective.org/liberiangold.html > > *Pat Robertson Engages in Illegal Mining Operation in Liberia* > http://www.theperspective.org/patrobertson_taylor.html > ---------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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