particulate emissions? Thompson, Mark L. (PNB R&D) wrote: > I don't how anyone can justify a Hybrid over a diesel. > > The financial numbers just don't work. > > My VW TDI gets (243K mile so far) > 45 mpg @ City Driving > 55 mpg @ 60 mph > 50 mpg @ 75 mph > > My cost is (City) $2.60/45 = 5.8 cents a mile (not including > normal maintenance) > My cost is (Freeway) $2.60/55 = 4.7 cents a mile (not including > normal maintenance) > Average 5.25 cents a mile (50/50 driving) > > My neighbors Prius gets > 55 mpg @ City Driving > 51 mpg @ 60 mph > > Cost is (City) $2.35/60 = 3.9 cents a mile (not including > normal maintenance) > Cost is (Freeway) $2.35/51 = 4.6 cents a mile (not including > normal maintenance) > Average 4.25 cents a mile (50/50 driving) > Plus Battery Deprecation > 8 year/100k miles/$7000 > $7000/100K = 7 cents/mile > > Total = 4.25 + 7.00 = 11.25 Cents/Miles > > > Converted to French fuel prices and Taxes: > http://www.day-tripper.net/pricespetrol.html > Diesel = 1.036 euro/Liter > Petro(95) = 1.209 euro/Liter > > Converted (1.19E/usd and 3.79 lt/gal) > Diesel = 1.036 * 1.19 * 3.79 = $4.67/gal > Petro = 1.209 * 1.19 * 3.79 = $5.45/gal > > My VW TDI gets (243K mile so far) > 45 mpg @ City Driving > 55 mpg @ 60 mph > 50 mpg @ 75 mph > > My cost is (City) $4.67/45 = 10.4 cents a mile (not including > normal maintenance) > My cost is (Freeway) $4.67/55 = 8.5 cents a mile (not including > normal maintenance) > Average 9.45 cents a mile (50/50 driving) > > My neighbors Prius gets > 55 mpg @ City Driving > 51 mpg @ 60 mph > > Cost is (City) $5.45/60 = 9.0 cents a mile (not including > normal maintenance) > Cost is (Freeway) $5.45/51 = 10.7 cents a mile (not including > normal maintenance) > Average 9.85 cents a mile (50/50 driving) > Plus Battery Deprecation > 8 year/100k miles/$7000/19%vat = $8330 > $8330/100K = 8.3 cents/mile > > Total = 9.85 + 8.30 = 18.15 Cents/Miles > > > In the US and Europe a diesel is about 1/2 the operating cost of a > hybrid. > > Another thing to consider is maintenance/repair and life expectancy. > My last VW diesel Died a honable death at 476,000 miles. > My current one is at 243,000 miles and still running strong. > My guess is if you can get 200K-250K out of a hybrid gas engine you are > doing good. > > Also working on diesel is relatively straight forward. Will have to say > VW has coupled the computer to the engine quite tightly. It make for > interesting trouble shooting when things are not working perfectly. > > Mark > > > > Andrew Netherton wrote: > >> I'll bet that research would show a mighty quick return on investment >> if they had done the study based on European fuel costs, and not our >> cheaper-than-bottled-water fuel here in North America. >> >> Andrew Netherton >> > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > >
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