Hear about the Coyotes running around in NYC's Central Park? Hal, the coyote, in Central Park http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/special_packages/sunday_review/14186236.htm
I disagree that it's a problem, but of course the cops had to chase him for 3+ days...Don't worry there are more...It wasn't just Wile E Coyote that was wily, they all are. I do agree with Keith that we all live in nature whether it's an asphalt jungle or the Amazon basin. The town I live in (Summerville, SC) is a suburban jungle, where many people have gardens, chickens and goats. I can walk to a horse or cow pasture in 5 minutes. There are foxes and rabbits living among us. The bunnies especially like to hide in all the Azaleas. Not that we don't have Walmart and mcmansions, but I think we've always been a green town. We have coyotes in South Carolina because they've gone nationwide. http://www.dnr.sc.gov/wildlife/coyote/index.html and I'm sure I've seen several. As well as Carolina Dogs or The American Dingo http://www.carolinadogs.com/ which are amazing dogs. A friend of mine found one and he later realized that he was a carolina dog. On 4/1/06, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Good point. > > Not very. > > Remember the ex-convict in "Shawshanks Redemption" who couldn't take > freedom and hanged himself? Are you suggesting we should accept > limitations like this? Or even take due account of it in our own > lives, or in our efforts to build a more sustainable world? This what > we're talking about, remember: > > >Actually there are already plans to cultivate grass as energy fuel. > >But dedicated cultivation is not always the best solution. I mean, > >if we can simply harvest grass from waste land or unoccupied land, > >that will be making good use of waste! > > In nature there is no such thing as waste, that's a human invention > and it doesn't have much of a future. Are we going to risk denuding > or destroying any land we might happen to think is not useful to us > in our cocoons? > > >I like living in nature a bit more (now that spring is > >here, I'm moving out of my rented place in town, and back up to my > >school bus in the mountains near the creek). But I know alot of > >people who can't stand being deprived of running water, central > >heating, flush toilets, etc.... It's sort of funny seeing the city > >people who move up to Ward (a rather odd mountain town here, where > >half the houses still don't have running water, though most have grid > >electricity), and run screaming back to town within a few months :) > > Jumping in at the deep end isn't the best way for everyone, they > might do better with a few swimming lessons first. It's not easy to > change your ways when it's what you've been used to all your life, > but it's not impossible either. Maybe the people you talk of had > foolish dreams of Arcadia, but would you say the impetus behind the > dream is foolish? Same as yours, isn't it? They went about it wrong, > that's all. > > >Z > > > >On 3/31/06, Rexis Tree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I somehow disagree that we human being as a part of the biosphere, most > > > human have to live in their own "human biosphere" where they will remove > > > everything that irritates them. > > They're just going to have to learn, because it's not just them, > their choices have a negative impact on others and on everybody. > > >If you throw a city person into a jungle, > > > how long he could survive! > > Long ago I sometimes used to ask myself that about people, when it > seemed an apt question. There's a region in South Africa called the > Wild Coast, well named, you could lose an army there. I'd ask myself > how long this person would last if you dumped them in the middle of > the Wild Coast by helicopter and just left them there with nothing. I > knew it was a very unfair question, why should anyone have to pass > such a test? It told me quite a lot about them though, but in a few > cases my answer of 10 minutes or whatever was quite wrong, those > people turned out to be much more capable than they at first > appeared, more capable than they themselves knew. But some of the > tough ones went down. You never can tell. > > >Just like you put a wild animal in the middle of > > > the city. > > There are plenty of wild animals living happily in the middle of > cities. Nature doesn't just stop at the city borders, it goes > straight through. It doesn't stop at your skin either. > > > > Most of us are not that compatible with the nature. > > Most of the people in the world now still live closer to nature than > not, they never left it in the first place, and most of them don't > want to leave it either, they usually have to be forced (impoverished > or dispossessed). > > Nature isn't just all that green stuff out there full of > inconvenience and other wild beasts, it's the nature of everything, > including you. If you're a stranger to nature you're a stranger to > yourself. > > How many gardeners and city farmers in your city? Are there any > movements to green your city? Rooftop gardens are excellent and they > save energy. If you planted jatropha and moringa trees along the > streets and the rail lines and so on they'd look great and help the > air-pollution and maybe you could make enough biodiesel to run the > buses. > > In case you jump to the wrong conclusion I'm a city boy born and > bred, I spent my first 25 years in cities and another 11 scattered > years in cities since then, and 24 years not in cities. But I've > never been cut off from nature, or incompatible with nature, or not > for long. > > Best > > Keith > -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch You can't have everything. 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