I was referring to the Democratic party leadership -- stuff like going along with Bush on anything, kicking Paul Hackett out of the Ohio senate race, running people like Ken Salazar for senate in Colorado, not getting their members organized behind people like Feinstein to really oppose the Bush agenda, apoligizing for Colberts comments, etc..... There are individual ones who I have alot of respect for -- some of the ones you mentioned, even Dean before he took over the Democratic party. There are even individual Republicans who I have liked (though none come to mind right now). But as a party, the Democrats most defining characteristic seems to be weak spinedness.
Perhaps I am wrong that enough people in this country oppose Bush, and for the democrats to truely stand up and oppose him would cost them support. If so, we are really in a bad situation. But I think that there are enough people who don't agree with the bush agenda that if one of the political parties was to actually stand up and fight it full force, people would actually support them. It almost seems that right now, there is more press about the splits within the republicans and various congressional republicans taking Bush to task for stuff. Why aren't the Democrats as a whole jumping on this opportunity? It seems like they don't even support their member who are willing to take him on. On 5/12/06, D. Mindock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Zeke, > If you are talking about Democrats (note the use of capital D) like > Congresswoman DeGette of > Colorado, Hillary Clinton, Joe Liebermann, and others of this ilk then > I would have to agree. Even Kerry leaves a lot to be desired. > But if you are referring to Sen. Feinstein of Wisconsin, Congressman > Kucinich of Ohio, the late Paul Wellstone, etc., then I must strongly > disagree. > The problem is that one label does not fit all. So making a blanket > statement like you've made is irresponsible, imo. > Peace, D. Mindock > > > >I would say agree that the democrats are not very good socialists -- > > morons would be the best description I can think of for them. > > > > On 5/12/06, Michael Redler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> Ray, > >> > >> Democrats make piss-poor socialists and to imply that that they are, is > >> an > >> insult to socialists. If Teddy Kennedy ran in a true socialist election, > >> I > >> doubt that he would get a single vote - even if he were the only > >> candidate. > >> > >> However, there are candidates who run as members of the socialist party. > >> They are clearly noticeable by their intelligent and articulate responses > >> to > >> the issues, their concern for the working class, and virtual invisibility > >> in > >> the "mainstream" media. > >> > >> Camejo's campaign gives the right answers > >> http://www.socialistworker.org/2003-2/470/470_04_Camejo.shtml > >> > >> > >> The Democrats aren't a solution > >> http://www.socialistworker.org/2003-2/461/461_04_OtherLetters.shtml#Dems > >> > >> The presidential campaigns of Socialist Party leader Eugene Debs > >> http://www.socialistworker.org/2004-2/514/514_08_Debs.shtml > >> > >> > >> Mike > >> > >> > >> > >> Ray in Atlanta GA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> Unfortunately, both the socialists, whoops Democrats, and the fascists, > >> excuse me, I mean Republicans, are all busy breaking their necks to jump > >> on Shrub's band wagon. > >> Ray in Atlanta GA > >> > >> D. Mindock wrote: > >> > This seems to be inline with the idea of a police state. Collect all > >> > the info on citizens possible to be stored in > >> > a huge database. The cuckoo bird flu scare (a hoax) is to get us to > >> > accept > >> > that anyone can be detained for silly reasons along with the database > >> > of > >> > your airline flights. When > >> > they say the data is to be maintained for at least two months, you can > >> > believe it will be much longer than that. Just like > >> > your online traffic through your ISP, all of it, is to be maintained > >> > for > >> > at least a year thanks to a proposal by US Congresswoman DeGette > >> > (D-CO). Yes, she calls herself a Democrat. We need to write our > >> > Congress > >> > reps that this BS won't fly with us. It is wrong that the NSA and the > >> > Pentagon are spying on us. BushCo is a fear based, secretive, > >> > devisive, newspeak government that is totally controlled by corporate > >> > powers. I think this is the definition of a fascist regime. No wonder > >> > the world is becoming terrified of our goverment. Bush and Dead-Eye > >> > Dick appear to be out-of-control. > >> > Work for Peace, D. Mindock > >> > > >> > > >> > The Hidden Agenda Behind the Bird Flu Hoax > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Bird FluA plan to quarantine sick airline and ship passengers in order > >> > to combat a potential bird flu outbreak has outraged health experts, > >> > airlines, and civil libertarians. > >> > > >> > *Three-Day Quarantine* > >> > > >> > Sick passengers would be identified by flight attendants, pilots and > >> > cruise ship crews. Passengers identified as sick could be detained in > >> > quarantine for as long as three days. > >> > > >> > *Detailed Information* > >> > > >> > The proposed rules would also require airlines to collect detailed > >> > contact information from their passengers, including the names of any > >> > traveling companions and precise information regarding travel plans. > >> > The > >> > information would be stored for at least two months, and would be > >> > provided to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) at any time the > >> > government asked for it. > >> > > >> > USA Today > >> > > >> > April 25, 2006 > >> > >> [snip] > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Biofuel mailing list > >> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >> > >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >> > >> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > >> messages): > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Biofuel mailing list > > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > > messages): > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
