Keith, Thanks for the help. So correct it is me interfering with my plant intrusions.
The problem here is not with the grass, the trees or what is already here. The problem is trying to grow what is not meant to be here. Tried gardens in some hot tropical climates that turned into giant ant beds, the ants are there to do what worms would normally assist. Reality says I should not try and grow grapes where they don't want to grow or are a very weak and thus a susceptible plant to bugs etc due to location/climate. However, I like my grape vines, am pleased the bugs are on the out, and for the first time have got vines growing where they shouldn't be. At least there is no worries in them spreading and taking over the landscape such as Gorse introduced to NZ and other such growths. I figure my vines cover a small area. The rest of the plant life, other than the Norfolk pines, are native to here, all but, and thus are resistant enough to keep in good health without the use of pesticides. Life is one whole learning cycle thus we are all amateurs. 300 + years ago it was possible to read all books printed in the English Language, today this is an impossibility. No one has read all, no one has learnt all, thus we are in reality all amateurs, such is the fun of living. Asked about all my many and varied interests and work, to me it is all a side line, life is the real issue and what all the rest compiled enables me to make of it. An amateur I am very proud to be it assures I have more goals to attain in this world. Are we here to attain the answers or the questions? My thanks to all. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic > >Costs zippo for raw cut and dried tobacco here, about US$2 per kilogram. > > > >I tried the mix of one handful of this to one gallon of water and let sit > >for 4 hours, added a little sunlight detergent and sprayed lightly on some > >plants last night, this morning there is no sign of any side effects on the > >plant and also no sign of them nibblers that were eating the palms. (easy to > >grow palms here, very very hard to grow grapes). If by days end still no > >detrimental signs on the palms then will try a little on the grape vines. At > >the rate I am going 1 Kg will make about 18 gallons of the bug runner. The > >initial lot was a very light yellowish color so last night I mixed more and > >over night it has gone to a very dark brown. I think I can dilute it by > >about 1:1 to bring it back to what it was yesturday which then means by > >leaving it standing for more than 12 hours I can double the 18 gallons per > >kg. All up is then less than US$3 for 36 gallons of grub off or grub gone. > > How many dollars it costs per gallon is hardly the point. > > >Tobacco was outlawed before DDT??? Could this be due to US > >"Commercial/Industrial" interests and not the fault of the tobacco. Any one > >can grow tobacco but not every one can make DDT and pesticides. More > >information/discussion would be a help here > > Not really. Unless you think "organic" pesticides are useful, and I'm > not the only one trying to tell you that pesticides are useless, > whether "organic" or not. "The badge of the amateur." > > Learn how to make fertile soil that's capable of growing healthy > plants that don't need pesticides. > > If you want to know more about "organic" pesticides there's plenty of > information available on using nicotine, derris, rotenone, pyrethrum, > quassia, sulphur, bordeaux mixture, potassium permanganate, soft soap > and FA soap, and so on and on, but it's just another blind alley. > > Best > > Keith > > > >Doug > > > >From: "JJJN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > >Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 10:33 AM > >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic > > > > > > > I was going to mix some of this up about 7 years ago, It so happened > > > that I asked a farmer about it and he told me that it would really work > > > good but he also said in a joking way don't let the Government catch > > > you. I took the bait and said why its all natural? He laughed and said > > > that nicotine was the first commercial pesticide and it was also the > > > first one ever banned in the US. I don't have any proof if what he said > > > was true but the point is natural / organic stuff can be as bad as > > > anything else if it is not used responsibly. > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > Keith Addison wrote: > > > > > > >>Will this kill the bugs busy eating away my precious grape vines and > > > >>shade area without harming the vine. That is used tobacco and some > > > >>soap liquid mixed with water and pump it from a hand sprayer? Got > > > >>sunlight soap here for the dishes, lemon scent even. > > > >> > > > >>Summary. > > > >>1/ 1 gallon of water/juice extracted from cigarette butts. > > > >>2/ 1 cup of liquid soap normally used for dishes. > > > >>3/ Mix, strain and spray on my grape vine. > > > >>4/ Do not do this in the kitchen with other cooks present. > > > >> > > > >>Doug > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >Nicotine will kill everything else too, including the bugs that eat > > > >the bugs eating your grapevines. It won't kill the vines though. > > > > > > > >Best > > > > > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > > >>From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Fred Finch > > > >>To: <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > > >>Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 7:47 PM > > > >>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic > > > >> > > > >>Jim, > > > >> > > > >>Instead of ammonia, get a pack of chewing tobacco. Soak it in a > > > >>gallon of water for a day in the sun. Strain the tobacco out and > > > >>then add the dish soap. Spray it on the buggies. The nicotine is > > > >>absorbed into the little critters and they die. The plants don't > > > >>care either way about the stuff. I do this on the roses that I > > > >>have. Works great. > > > >> > > > >>Another thing that I have done is grabbed the coffee can of butts > > > >>that my nieghbor had. He thinks I am nutz anyway but the look on > > > >>his face when I asked him for them was priceless. I soaked that for > > > >>a day then strained that. Worked as well as the chewing tobacco and > > > >>was free. Smelled nasty but did the trick just the same. > > > >> > > > >>fred > > > >> > > > >>On 6/18/06, JJJN <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>Robert, > > > >>I was told that if you take one cup Lemon dish soap and mix with one cup > > > >>lemon ammonia and spray like you would with a pesticide bottle that you > > > >>hook on the end of a garden hose. At first I thought the idea sounded > > > >>good but then what is in all that stuff? and if it kills the bad guys > > > >>whats it doing to the good ones. Have you heard of this? What do you > > > >>think? I tested a tiny bit on some catipillers and it sure killed them > > > >>and quick, but again that would not be the entire goal if the product > > > >>screws up 10 other cycles to do so. I wish I knew more about bugs. I > > > >>suppose you may have some luck if you can apply it in a way that was to > > > >>the single point missing everything else. > > > >>Jim > > > >> > > > >>robert and benita rabello wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>>Chris Lloyd wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>Some compost has virtually no ability to fertilise anything, I got > >caught > > > >>>>out this year with the half ton I got for growing tomatoes in. It was > > > >>>>supposed to be composted household waste and tree leaves, looked > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>good, smelt > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>>>good and will probably make a good soil improver but I had to start > >adding > > > >>>>chicken poo to save the tomatoes. Perhaps the nutrients got > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>washed out of it > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>>>but I'm going back to rotted horse manure next year. Chris > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> I've found that the commercial composts are sterilized with heat to > > > >>>kill weed seeds. This also kills all of the soil fauna, which is > > > >>>responsible for fertility. I made that mistake once, and since then > > > >>>I've relied on my own compost. My trees are happier (though I'm STILL > > > >>>have insect and fruit problems) and look far more lush than they have > >in > > > >>>the past. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>robert luis rabello > > > >>>"The Edge of Justice" > > > >>>Adventure for Your Mind > > > >>><http://www.newadventure.ca> http://www.newadventure.ca > > > >>> > > > >>>Ranger Supercharger Project Page > > > > > >>><http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/>http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ > > > >>> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > ________ Information from NOD32 ________ > This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System for Linux Mail Servers. > part000.txt - is OK > http://www.eset.com ________ Information from NOD32 ________ This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System for Linux Mail Servers. part000.txt - is OK http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
