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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 6:00
PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
"D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Gregg,
Why
did you introduce a couple red herrings? >>Sorry my reference
to swampland & New Mexico irritated you.<< It seems
that you are only
interested in
winning an argument. You will never
arrive at the truth that way. Also you
will never "win";
not on this
forum anyway. My two cents.>>Winning was the last thing on my
mind. I already know the truth thanks to being where I can "do my
homework" as suggested. It's a no win situation, I can't persaude you
to think for yourself, & you can't brainwash me with all this "hate
America first Bush bashing".<<
Peace, D. Mindock P.S.
Leave your ego at the door before entering "Journey
to
Forever".
You'll have a much smoother ride that way.>>I
have no ego that requires stroking, so your admonishment "machts
nich".<<
----- Original Message -----
From:
Gregg Davidson
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Monday,
September 11, 2006 4:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel]
Disney
Keith, contrary to what you appear to think, I do my
home work every day.
That's how I'm able to see through the lies, &
double standards. If any
media organization in this country
publishes/broadcasts TOP SECRET
information purely designed to aid the
enemy, then their "proctection" goes
right out the window & they
should be prosectued as traitors. Lately, The
New York Times comes to
mind as having done something like this. It seems as
long as a President
has a "D" next to his name, he can do NO wrong. Yeah,
right, & I
have some swamp land out in New Mexico I'd like to sell you.
I'll
address your other e-mails later as I have to leave for work now. The
stimulation is fun.
Keith Addison
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>No Keith, that's not what I'm
saying.
>
>A lie is a lie, regardless of who tells it. If
President Bush did
>the things that made Clinton famous, or infamous,
I'd be screaming
>for him to be impreached too. There are things that
the President is
>doing, as well as not doing, that I take exception
to. I don't see
>the present administration threatening to pull the
license of
>a broadcast network, or trying violate ABC's First
Amendment
>Right, but the Democrat/Liberals are. They're calling out
the
>figurative Storm Troopers, which is the typical scare
tactic.
Er, you haven't noticed the current administration's antics
with the
FCC, eg, and with just about every media protection the US ever
had?
Maybe you sh (a) wake up just a little and (b) do some homework
(a
helluva lot) - the list archives is a great place to
start.
Best
Keith
>Keith Addison
wrote:
>
> >I hope Disney grows some major cojones, ones the
size of 16lb
> >bowling balls, calls the Democrat/Liberal bluff,
& runs the mini
> >series anyway. Sounds to me like the Clinton
Admistration's Legacy
> >will stand up to what's in the mini series
like a vampire does to
> >sunlight.
>
>So Gregg, it
doesn't matter if it's all lies and disinfo just as long
>as it
supports the good guys (Republicans) and attacks the evil
ones
>(Clinton), is that what you're
saying?
>
>Best
>
>Keith
>
>
>
>Mike Weaver wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
>
> > >This letter was sent today by the entire Democratic
leadership of the
> > >US
> > >Senate. This letter
is such a major shot across the bow of Disney, it's
> > >not
even
> > >funny. It is FILLED with veiled threats, both legal
and legislative,
> > >against
> > >Disney. US
Senators don't make threats like this, especially the entire
> >
>Democratic leadership en masse, unless they mean it. Disney is in
> > >serious
> > >trouble.
> >
>
> > >Read it, then read my analysis of it below:
>
> >September 7, 2006
> > >
> > >Mr. Robert A.
Iger
> > >President and CEO
> > >The Walt Disney
Company
> > >500 South Buena Vista Street
> >
>Burbank CA 91521
> > >
> > >Dear Mr.
Iger,
> > >
> > >We write with serious concerns
about the planned upcoming broadcast of
> > >The
> >
>Path to 9/11 mini-series on September 10 and 11. Countless reports
from
> > >experts on 9/11 who have viewed the program indicate
numerous and
> > >serious
> > >inaccuracies that
will undoubtedly serve to misinform the American
> >
>people
> > >about the
> > >tragic events
surrounding the terrible attacks of that day.
> >
>Furthermore,
> > >the
> > >manner in which this
program has been developed, funded, and advertised
> > >suggests
a partisan bent unbecoming of a major company like Disney and
> >
>a
> > >major and
> > >well respected news
organization like ABC. We therefore urge you to
> >
>cancel
> > >this broadcast to cease Disneyâ*Ts plans to use
it as a teaching tool
> > >in
> > >schools
>
> >across America through Scholastic. Presenting such deeply flawed
and
> > >factually inaccurate misinformation to the American
public and to
> > >children
> > >would be a
>
> >gross miscarriage of your corporate and civic responsibility to the
> > >law,
> > >to
> > >your
shareholders, and to the nation.
> > >
> > >The
Communications Act of 1934 provides your network with a free
> >
>broadcast
> > >license predicated on the fundamental
understanding of your principle
> > >obligation to act as a
trustee of the public airwaves in serving the
> > >public
interest.
> > >Nowhere is this public interest obligation more
apparent than in the
> > >duty
> > >of
> >
>broadcasters to serve the civic needs of a democracy by promoting an
> > >open
> > >and accurate discussion of political
ideas and events.
> > >
> > >Disney and ABC claim
this program to be based on the 9/11 Commission
> >
>Report
> > >and are using that assertion as part of the
promotional campaign for
> > >it.
> > >The
>
> >9/11 Commission is the most respected American authority on the
9/11
> > >attacks,
> > >and association with it
carries a special responsibility. Indeed, the
> > >very
>
> >events themselves on 9/11, so tragic as they were, demand extreme
care
> > >by
> > >any
> > >who attempt
to use those events as part of an entertainment or
> >
>educational
> > >program. To quote Steve McPhereson,
president of ABC Entertainment,
> > >â*oWhen you
> >
>take on the responsibility of telling the story behind such an
>
> >important
> > >event, it is absolutely critical that
you get it right.â*
> > >
> > >Unfortunately, it
appears Disney and ABC got it totally wrong.
> > >
> >
>Despite claims by your networkâ*Ts representatives that The Path to
> > >9/11
> > >is
> > >based on the
report of the 9/11 Commission, 9/11 Commissioners
> >
>themselves,
> > >as
> > >well as other experts
on the issues, disagree.
> > >
> > >Richard
Ben-Veniste, speaking for himself and fellow 9/11 Commissioners
> >
>who
> > >recently viewed the program, said, â*oAs we were
watching, we were
> > >trying
> > >to
> >
>think how they could have misinterpreted the 9/11 Commissionâ*Ts
> > >findings
> > >the way
> > >that
they had.â* [â*o9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate and
>
> >Biased,â*
> > >New York Times, September 6,
2006]
> > >
> > >Richard Clarke, the former
counter-terrorism czar, and a national
> > >security
>
> >advisor to ABC has described the program as â*odeeply flawedâ* and
> > >said
> > >of the
> > >programâ*Ts
depiction of a Clinton official hanging up on an
> >
>intelligence
> > >agent,
> > >â*oItâ*Ts 180
degrees from what happened.â* [â*o9/11 Miniseries Is
> >
>Criticized as
> > >Inaccurate and Biased,â* New York Times,
September 6, 2006]
> > >
> > >Reports suggest that
an FBI agent who worked on 9/11 and served as a
> > >consultant
to ABC on this program quit halfway through because, â*ohe
> >
>thought they
> > >were making things up.â* [MSNBC,
September 7, 2006]
> > >
> > >Even Thomas Kean, who
serves as a paid consultant to the miniseries,
> > >has
>
> >admitted that scenes in the film are fictionalized. [â*o9/11
Miniseries
> > >Is
> > >Criticized as Inaccurate
and Biased,â* New York Times, September 6,
> > >2006]
>
> >
> > >That Disney would seek to broadcast an admittedly
and proven false
> > >recounting of the events of 9/11 raises
serious questions about the
> > >motivations of its
> >
>creators and those who approved the deeply flawed program. Finally,
> > >that
> > >Disney plans to air commercial-free
a program that reportedly cost it
> > >$40
> >
>million to produce serves to add fuel to these concerns.
> >
>
> > >These concerns are made all the more pressing by the
political leaning
> > >of
> > >and the public
statements made by the writer/producer of this
> >
>miniseries,
> > >Mr.
> > >Cyrus Nowrasteh, in
promoting this miniseries across conservative blogs
> >
>and
> > >talk shows.
> > >
> >
>Frankly, that ABC and Disney would consider airing a program that could
> > >be
> > >construed as right-wing political
propaganda on such a grave and
> > >important
> >
>event involving the security of our nation is a discredit both to
the
> > >Disney
> > >brand and to the legacy of
honesty built at ABC by honorable
> > >individuals
> >
>from
> > >David Brinkley to Peter Jennings. Furthermore,
that Disney would seek
> > >to
> > >use
>
> >Scholastic to promote this misguided programming to American
children
> > >as a
> > >substitute for factual
information is a disgrace.
> > >
> > >As 9/11
Commission member Jamie Gorelick said, â*oIt is critically
> >
>important
> > >to the safety of our nation that our
citizens, and particularly our
> > >school
> >
>children, understand what actually happened and why â*" so that we
can
> > >proceed
> > >from a common understanding of
what went wrong and act with unity to
> > >make
> >
>our
> > >country safer.â*
> > >
> >
>Should Disney allow this programming to proceed as planned, the
factual
> > >record, millions of viewers, countless
schoolchildren, and the
> > >reputation
> >
>of
> > >Disney as a corporation worthy of the trust of the
American people and
> > >the
> > >United States
Congress will be deeply damaged. We urge you, after full
> >
>consideration of the facts, to uphold your responsibilities as a
> > >respected
> > >member of
> >
>American society and as a beneficiary of the free use of the
public
> > >airwaves to
> > >cancel this factually
inaccurate and deeply misguided program. We look
> > >forward to
hearing back from you soon.
> > >
> >
>Sincerely,
> > >
> > >Senate Democratic Leader
Harry Reid
> > >Assistant Democratic Leader Dick Durbin
>
> >Senator Debbie Stabenow
> > >Senator Charles
Schumer
> > >Senator Byron Dorgan
> > >The Senate
Democratic leadership just threatened Disney's broadcast
> >
>license.
> > >Not the use of the word "trustee" at the
beginning of the letter and
> > >"trust"
> > >at the
end. This is nothing less than an implicit threat that if Disney
>
> >tries to meddle in the US elections on behalf of the Republicans,
they
> > >will pay a
> > >very serious price when
the Democrats get back in power, or even
> > >before.
>
> >
> > >This raises the stakes incredibly for
Disney.
> > >
> > >The Society that tries to find
rationality in the acts of
>irrational men is
> > >largely
a waste of time...
> > >les aaron
> > >
> >
>THE COMMITTEE FOR POSITIVE CHANGE
> >
>www.lesaaron.blogspot.com
> >
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>
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>
> >
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 08:57:04 EDT
> >Subject:
[OnlineDemocrats] (no subject)
> >
> >Maybe there's a
hidden little spine tucked away somewhere in the
> >Democrat
leadership's collection back. They normally roll over and
> >play
dead for the repugs and the media but it seems like this has
> >hit
a bit of a raw nerve. Seems like there might still be a little
>
>life left in the old dogs after all.
> >
> >Jim
Langford
> >"Being a patriot no longer requires a cannon. But it
still takes
> >balls". Glen Greenwald
> >
>
>Thursday, September 07, 2006
> >
>
>>-threatens.html>Senate Democratic leadership threatens Disney
with
> >legal and legislative sanctions
> >by John in DC -
9/07/2006 06:02:00 PM
> >
> >This letter was sent today by
the entire Democratic leadership of
> >the US Senate. This letter
is such a major shot across the bow of
> >Disney, it's not even
funny. It is FILLED with veiled threats, both
> >legal and
legislative, against Disney. US Senators don't make
> >threats like
this, especially the entire Democratic leadership en
> >masse,
unless they mean it. Disney is in serious trouble.
> >
>
>Read it, then read my analysis of it below:
> >
>
>September 7, 2006
> >
> >Mr. Robert A. Iger
>
>President and CEO
> >The Walt Disney Company
> >500
South Buena Vista Street
> >Burbank CA 91521
> >
>
>Dear Mr. Iger,
> >
> >We write with serious concerns
about the planned upcoming broadcast
> >of The Path to 9/11
mini-series on September 10 and 11. Countless
> >reports from
experts on 9/11 who have viewed the program indicate
> >numerous
and serious inaccuracies that will undoubtedly serve to
>
>misinform the American people about the tragic events
surrounding
> >the terrible attacks of that day. Furthermore, the
manner in which
> >this program has been developed, funded, and
advertised suggests a
> >partisan bent unbecoming of a major
company like Disney and a major
> >and well respected news
organization like ABC. We therefore urge you
> >to cancel this
broadcast to cease Disneyâ*Ts plans to use it as a
> >teaching tool
in schools across America through Scholastic.
> >Presenting such
deeply flawed and factually inaccurate
> >misinformation to the
American public and to children would be a
> >gross miscarriage of
your corporate and civic responsibility to the
> >law, to your
shareholders, and to the nation.
> >
> >The Communications
Act of 1934 provides your network with a free
> >broadcast license
predicated on the fundamental understanding of
> >your principle
obligation to act as a trustee of the public airwaves
> >in serving
the public interest. Nowhere is this public interest
> >obligation
more apparent than in the duty of broadcasters to serve
> >the
civic needs of a democracy by promoting an open and accurate
>
>discussion of political ideas and events.
> >
>
>Disney and ABC claim this program to be based on the 9/11
Commission
> >Report and are using that assertion as part of the
promotional
> >campaign for it. The 9/11 Commission is the most
respected American
> >authority on the 9/11 attacks, and
association with it carries a
> >special responsibility. Indeed,
the very events themselves on 9/11,
> >so tragic as they were,
demand extreme care by any who attempt to
> >use those events as
part of an entertainment or educational program.
> >To quote Steve
McPhereson, president of ABC Entertainment, â*oWhen
> >you take on
the responsibility of telling the story behind such an
> >important
event, it is absolutely critical that you get it right.â*
>
>
> >Unfortunately, it appears Disney and ABC got it totally
wrong.
> >
> >Despite claims by your networkâ*Ts
representatives that The Path to
> >9/11 is based on the report of
the 9/11 Commission, 9/11
> >Commissioners themselves, as well as
other experts on the issues,
> >disagree.
> >
>
>Richard Ben-Veniste, speaking for himself and fellow 9/11
>
>Commissioners who recently viewed the program, said, â*oAs we
were
> >watching, we were trying to think how they could have
misinterpreted
> >the 9/11 Commissionâ*Ts findings the way that
they had.â* [â*o9/11
> >Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate and
Biased,â* New York
> >Times, September 6, 2006]
>
>
> >Richard Clarke, the former counter-terrorism czar, and a
national
> >security advisor to ABC has described the program as
â*odeeply
> >flawedâ* and said of the programâ*Ts depiction of a
Clinton
> >official hanging up on an intelligence agent, â*oItâ*Ts
180 degrees
> >from what happened.â* [â*o9/11 Miniseries Is
Criticized as
> >Inaccurate and Biased,â* New York Times,
September 6, 2006]
> >
> >Reports suggest that an FBI
agent who worked on 9/11 and served as a
> >consultant to ABC on
this program quit halfway through because,
> >â*ohe thought they
were making things up.â* [MSNBC, September 7,
> >2006]
>
>
> >Even Thomas Kean, who serves as a paid consultant to the
miniseries,
> >has admitted that scenes in the film are
fictionalized. [â*o9/11
> >Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate
and Biased,â* New York
> >Times, September 6, 2006]
>
>
> >That Disney would seek to broadcast an admittedly and
proven false
> >recounting of the events of 9/11 raises serious
questions about the
> >motivations of its creators and those who
approved the deeply flawed
> >program. Finally, that Disney plans
to air commercial-free a program
> >that reportedly cost it $40
million to produce serves to add fuel to
> >these concerns.
>
>
> >These concerns are made all the more pressing by the
political
> >leaning of and the public statements made by the
writer/producer of
> >this miniseries, Mr. Cyrus Nowrasteh, in
promoting this miniseries
> >across conservative blogs and talk
shows.
> >
> >Frankly, that ABC and Disney would consider
airing a program that
> >could be construed as right-wing political
propaganda on such a
> >grave and important event involving the
security of our nation is a
> >discredit both to the Disney brand
and to the legacy of honesty
> >built at ABC by honorable
individuals from David Brinkley to Peter
> >Jennings. Furthermore,
that Disney would seek to use Scholastic to
> >promote this
misguided programming to American children as a
> >substitute for
factual information is a disgrace.
> >
> >As 9/11
Commission member Jamie Gorelick said, â*oIt is critically
>
>important to the safety of our nation that our citizens, and
>
>particularly our school children, understand what actually
happened
> >and why â*" so that we can proceed from a common
understanding of
> >what went wrong and act with unity to make our
country safer.â*
> >
> >Should Disney allow this
programming to proceed as planned, the
> >factual record, millions
of viewers, countless schoolchildren, and
> >the reputation of
Disney as a corporation worthy of the trust of the
> >American
people and the United States Congress will be deeply
> >damaged. We
urge you, after full consideration of the facts, to
> >uphold your
responsibilities as a respected member of American
> >society and
as a beneficiary of the free use of the public airwaves
> >to
cancel this factually inaccurate and deeply misguided program. We
>
>look forward to hearing back from you soon.
> >
>
>Sincerely,
> >
> >Senate Democratic Leader Harry
Reid
> >Assistant Democratic Leader Dick Durbin
> >Senator
Debbie Stabenow
> >Senator Charles Schumer
> >Senator
Byron Dorgan
> >
> >The Senate Democratic leadership just
threatened Disney's broadcast
> >license. Not the use of the word
"trustee" at the beginning of the
> >letter and "trust" at the end.
This is nothing less than an implicit
> >threat that if Disney
tries to meddle in the US elections on behalf
> >of the
Republicans, they will pay a very serious price when the
>
>Democrats get back in power, or even before.
> >
>
>This raises the stakes incredibly for
Disney.
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