Terry Dyck wrote: > Hi Bob, > > People have been taking homeopathic flu shots and seem to get results, > however, people taking regular flu shots are still getting the flu and > they are exposed to dangerous chemicals such as mercury and alluminum > which are in regular flu vaccines.
crapola, show me the data! homeophathy is a hoax, it is not chemically or biologically plausible. Please look at what it is and think critically. Homeopathic nostrums have been so diluted that nothing at all of the original ingredient exists. THINK ABOUT IT. The oscillococcinum preperation mentioned for the flu treatment is made from the liver of a duck. As I recall 35 grams of duck liver fat is churned into 100 milliters of water. This is dumped out. Then another 100 ml is added to the same container. Repeat this process 200 times. What you have is some thing that has been diluted 100 to the 200th power. The is no way in hell that there is a single m molecule exists from the original duck. Time magazine did a story on this a while back. They called it 120 million dollar duck, because that is the money made on the sale of the derived product (Boiron) talk about follow the money! I would encourage any thinking person to examine any of the following http://www.homeowatch.org/history/oscillo.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscillococcinum or go listen to the podcasts at: http://www.quackcast.com/QuackCast/Podcasts/Archive.html after doing so come back and defend this nonsense > > Terry Dyck > > >> From: bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] >> Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials asEvidence) >> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:53:36 -0500 >> >> Sorry but I have to jump in here with the mention of homeopathy. This >> is the silliest most counter-intuitive medical mubo-jumbo on the >> planet. there is zero valid support for the idea that something which >> causes a symptom at high doses (what ever that means) is cured by >> something at extremely low doses. And I mean extreme. Substances are >> diluted to 10 to the 120th power and more. At this concentration there >> is nothing left at all. A little critical thinking goes a long way here. >> >> There may be some herbs out there for which there is credible evidence >> for efficacy, but as far as homeopathy goes- it is nonsense. >> >> Marylynn Schmidt wrote: >> > Just my thoughts on the matter of bone (or anything) re-growth .. >> > >> > We are a whole and the whole must be treated so going to a dentist >> for bone >> > re-growth and/or gum tissue re-growth is as much of a separation of >> self as >> > seeing the heart specialist for heart problems, the dermatologist >> for skin >> > problems, etc >> > >> > Your mouth, gums, jaw bone, teeth are still a part of the whole .. >> nothing >> > is going to exist in isolation inside the human physical body. >> > >> > Do you know a good herbalist? I'm thinking something missing .. but >> if you >> > have some level of toxic substance as a core problem (don't we >> all), then >> > homeopathy could be the road. >> > >> > Mary Lynn >> > Rev. Mary Lynn Schmidt, Ordained Minister >> > ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART >> > TTouch . Reiki . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Animal Behavior >> Modification . >> > Shamanic Spiritual Travel . Behavior Problems . Psionic Energy >> Practitioner >> > . Radionics . Herbs . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Polarity . >> > The Animal Connection Healing Modalities >> > http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ >> > http://allcreatureconnections.org >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> From: "D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> >> To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >> >> Subject: Re: >> >> [Biofuel]Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials >> >> asEvidence) >> >> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:48:58 -0500 >> >> >> >> Hi Mike, >> >> Yep, Linus Pauling was a true truth seeker, a beautiful human being. >> >> I've been doing a bit of research on periodontal disease. It seems >> that >> >> there is alot going on that my dentist doesn't know about. He just >> wants to >> >> pull teeth and put in partial plates. But there are dentists who >> can stop >> >> the >> >> disease and get bone and gums to regrow. So I will try to hook up >> with one >> >> and see if he can do something to save a couple teeth. I've talked >> with a >> >> friend >> >> who has partials and he hates them. >> >> I agree that flu shots are a bad idea. My wife doesn't get them even >> >> if they're >> >> free. Her company brought in a couple nurses and offered all >> employees free >> >> flu >> >> shots. She passed. She says she feels uncomfortable for a few days >> after >> >> getting the shot >> >> doesn't like the feeling. You just don't know what's in there >> besides the >> >> crippled virus. >> >> She and I work at keeping ourselves as healthy as possible and >> don't take >> >> our health >> >> for granted. >> >> Yep, being ornery does help. The mind-body connection is very real. >> >> The mind controls >> >> your health to a large degree. Being stubbornly optimistic or >> happy is a >> >> good way to keep the sick >> >> bugs at bay. >> >> Peace and joy, D. Mindock >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: M&K DuPree >> >> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:09 PM >> >> Subject: Re: >> >> [Biofuel]Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials >> >> asEvidence) >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi D...good idea collecting the water thru the Pur first then >> >> distilling. Muy excellente!!! >> >> Linus Pauling...a true hero. >> >> Man, sorry to hear about the periodontal stuff. But glad you have >> >> a remedy. >> >> The colloidal silver I keep hearing about, but haven't tried. Just >> >> haven't felt the need. The wife and I don't do the flu shot stuff, >> but >> >> with whatever else we're doing, the years keep rolling by so far >> without >> >> any viral problems. Maybe being a bit ornery helps. >> >> Mike >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: D. Mindock >> >> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:41 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] >> >> Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Mike, >> >> Yeah, my distiller has that drip thingy too. But I don't trust it >> >> very much. It is just >> >> too small and the water merely flows over a the carbon granules. So I >> >> use a faucet >> >> mounted carbon block filter. It is a Pur but Brita and some others >> >> make them too. >> >> I collect that filtered water and then distill it. >> >> I am familiar with Bronson. I think that is the company that Linus >> >> Pauling used as >> >> his source for vitamin C. >> >> Ok about the vit & min supplement. You got your bases covered. I >> >> take the same >> >> stuff, basically. Because I have periodontal disease, I also take >> >> grapefruit seed extract, olive leaf extract, >> >> and MSM. If I layoff taking these, I get a bloody toothbrush that >> >> reminds me that I need >> >> to stay with the program. Oh, and I do take colloidal silver too. >> >> Peace & light, D. Mindock >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: M&K DuPree >> >> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> >> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 1:37 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness >> >> (WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi D...regarding removing the gases, the distiller I use finishes >> >> the process by dripping the water through a carbon filter. Is this >> what >> >> you're talking about? >> >> Regarding the mineral replacement, I take a vitamin and mineral >> >> supplement from a company called Bronson. They call it "Insurance >> >> Formula." It is a formulation based on a book written by a Dr. >> Roger J. >> >> Williams, The Wonderful World Within You (Bantam, 1977) (How's >> that for >> >> documentation, Bob?) It's been ages since I've read the book, so >> can't tell >> >> you a damn thing about it. We buy direct from Bronson, not a >> multilevel >> >> deal or anything. Prices seem real good, so have never considered >> anything >> >> else. >> >> Mike DuPree >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: D. Mindock >> >> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> >> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 1:58 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was >> >> HypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Mike, >> >> Yep, homogenization breaks the particles down to such a small >> >> size that they >> >> can pass through the gut into the body cavity where they put a >> >> burden on the immune >> >> system. Pastuerization adds to the problem by destroying the "life >> >> force" of the >> >> milk, the enzymes. Of course the milk has to be from a healthy >> >> animal that is grass >> >> fed. Soy is controversial in that it has hormonal effects. Also it >> >> is a GM crop with >> >> all that that implies. But if you seem to be thriving on it, eh, >> >> what the heck? >> >> WRT distilled water, just take an extra mineral tablet each >> >> day. >> >> That's what I do. The thing with distillers is that they are poor >> >> wrt to removing >> >> volatile gases, like benzene, etc. So I run the water through a >> >> carbon filter like >> >> that from Pur to get those gases out. Also there's the removal of >> >> lead, cadmium, >> >> etc., then the distiller cleans up the residual. So the water is >> >> pretty clean. It is strange >> >> though that the Pur filter allows the flouride to pass through. >> >> Who needs that crap? >> >> Anyway, the distiller removes it. >> >> Peace and light, D. Mindock >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: M&K DuPree >> >> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:39 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis >> >> asAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi D and Mike...isn't homogenized milk whipped up into >> >> incredibly small particles that actually scar the lining of the >> esophagus >> >> and arteries, thereby, allowing cholesterol to more easily >> coagulate along >> >> the linings? Whether or not it does, I say "soy milk." I know I >> >> know...tastes terrible, to some. But I only use it on cereals and >> a couple >> >> of desserts. Plenty of other stuff to be drinking, like....uh, >> >> water....distilled of course...I know I know minerals etc >> >> etc...hey...distilled....period...and don't bother me about >> taste...if you >> >> can taste it, it ain't water you're tasting! Yeah, I'm closed >> minded on >> >> this one!! LOL Mike DuPree >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:56 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as >> >> AnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi Mike, >> >> > I think Weston Price would say to drink raw milk. When >> >> > milk is pastuerized and homogenized, it becomes harmful >> >> > to the body. So those drinking less of the bad milk in the >> >> > Harvard study would actually be better off. >> >> > Myself, I don't drink milk unless I can get it raw and >> >> organic. >> >> > Also, even better, is to add kefir culture to it. I think the >> >> Hunzas >> >> > drink their milk cultured, not straight up. >> >> > Peace, D. Mindock >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "Mike Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:12 PM >> >> > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as >> >> Anesthesia >> >> > WasTestimonials as Evidence) >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> From the can't-help-but-stick-my-toe-in dept. >> >> >> >> >> >> Caveat: No proof other than what I've read over the years. >> >> >> >> >> >> It has always seemed to me that the maladies that people >> >> suffer from are >> >> >> in large part due to environment/lifestyle. In the third >> >> world, >> >> >> disease is far more likely to be as a result of the lack of >> >> food and >> >> >> adequate nutrition, wheras in the developed world, we suffer >> >> >> > >from the >> > >> >> >> diseaeses of affluence: diabetis being the one that comes to >> >> mind, >> >> >> along with obesity-related ailments such as heart disease, >> >> high blood >> >> >> pressure, strokes and so on. Smoking is another factor. >> >> >> >> >> >> Another interesting item, from Harvard University's website: >> >> >> >> >> >> In particular, these studies suggest that high calcium intake >> >> doesn't >> >> >> actually appear to lower a person's risk for osteoporosis. >> >> For example, >> >> >> in the large Harvard studies of male health professionals and >> >> female >> >> >> nurses, individuals who drank one glass of milk (or less) per >> >> week were >> >> >> at no greater risk of breaking a hip or forearm than were >> >> those who >> >> >> drank two or more glasses per week.(2, 3 >> >> >> >> >> >> <http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/calcium.html#references>) >> >> >> Other studies have found similar results. >> >> >> >> >> >> It is odd human beings are the only animal that develop "a >> >> disease" if >> >> >> they don't eat the milk of another species. Dogs don't need >> >> cat milk. >> >> >> >> >> >> bob allen wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>Howdy Terry, >> >> >>> >> >> >>>Terry Dyck wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>HI Bob, >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>The Western world has the highest rate of Cancer, Heart >> >> disease, >> >> >>>>Diabetes, >> >> >>>>Respiratory problems and other ailments in the world. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>oh really, and your source for these "facts" is? are the >> >> data age >> >> >>>adjusted, etc. and just what "other" ailments are included. >> >> This is the >> >> >>>issue I have with you and others, you make what I feel are >> >> overly broad >> >> >>>statements as fact, without little or no support. So give >> >> me >> >> >>>reference or two so I can draw my own conclusions. >> >> >>> >> >> >>>or how about just statistic at a time to discuss. How about >> >> age >> >> >>>adjusted cancer rates? (age adjusting is necessary as cancer >> >> is >> >> >>>essentially inevitable, the longer you live the more likely >> >> you are to >> >> >>>get cancer. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> show me the data please. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> On the other hand >> >> >>>>there is a valley in the middle of the Himalayan mountains >> >> called >> >> >>>>Hunzaland >> >> >>>>that is an almost disease free area. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>I have heard this canard before. I googled hunzaland and >> >> about the only >> >> >>>thing I got were people hawking their particular "cure" >> >> >>> >> >> >>> The Apricot Kernel Anti-Cancer Theory >> >> >>> http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/land_of_hunza.htm >> >> >>> >> >> >>>or how about 160+ year olds >> >> >>>http://www.arthritis-nature-cure.com/people.htm >> >> >>> >> >> >>>do really believe that? really, you don't think someone >> >> could be less >> >> >>>than forthright to make a point about a product the promote? >> >> >>> >> >> >>>or maybe it's the magnetized water >> >> >>>http://www.stopcancer.com/magnetpHFoundation2.htm >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> A pure organic food diet and almost no >> >> >>>>pollution could be the reason for people having good health. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>or it could all be a bunch of hype. How do we know with out >> >> better >> >> >>>documentation? >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>-- >> >> >>>>>Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob >> >> >>>>>========================================================= >> >> >>>>>The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest >> >> exercises in >> >> >>>>>moral philosophy; that is, >> >> >>>>>the search for a superior moral justification for >> >> selfishness JKG >> >> >>>>> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Biofuel mailing list >> >> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> >> >> >> >> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >> >> >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >> >> >> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >> >> messages): >> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Biofuel mailing list >> >> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> >> >> >> >> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >> >> >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >> >> >> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >> >> messages): >> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> >> Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/496 - Release Date: >> >> 10/24/2006 >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Biofuel mailing list >> >> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> >> >> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >> >> >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >> >> >> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >> >> messages): >> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Biofuel mailing list >> > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> > >> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >> > >> > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> > >> > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >> messages): >> > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Bob Allen, ozarker.org/bob >> ------------------------------ >> Actually we are all atheists. 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