*/bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
D. Mindock wrote:
> Bob, what you don't understand, you automatically do your
quackwatch
> routine.
> Asking you to try to go beyond your built-in wall of prejudices
is silly of
> me to
> ask of you. So I won't. Don't ask for references or "science".
I think this comment clearly dilineates the differences in our
positions. I seek rational explanations and reproducable evidence and
you accept testimony.
> You have
> your
> thoughts on things and that is the final word for you. Science
is only a
> method, a tool,
agreeed
> to get something believed to have a chance of being true to
> be
> verified. It doesn't explain the leap of intuition that creates the
> hypothesis in
> the first place. Homeopathy has been used successfully for quite
some time.
>
no it hasn't. maybe a placeobo effect has worked but that is not
homeopathy.
> That science cannot explain it does not mean it is not valid.
so explain it to me. How does something which is not there, do
something?
> Science
> is merely a method.
agreed
> Where did the hypothesis come from? Explain that.
>
who cares where it came from? if it is nonsense it is nonsense.
But if
you really want to know it came from a guy called Hahnemann, who
apparently had a very confused sense of cause and effect, and that
silliness has persisted to this day. So D if you really believe this
works , shouldn't the hypothesis be testable? Where is the data.?
> Peace and light, D. Mindock
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bob allen"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 11:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel]
> Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials asEvidence)
>
>
>
>> Sorry but I have to jump in here with the mention of
homeopathy. This
>> is the silliest most counter-intuitive medical mubo-jumbo on the
>> planet. there is zero valid support for the idea that something
which
>> causes a symptom at high doses (what ever that means) is cured by
>> something at extremely low doses. And I mean extreme.
Substances are
>> diluted to 10 to the 120th power and more. At this
concentration there
>> is nothing left at all. A little critical thinking goes a long
way here.
>>
>> There may be some herbs out there for which there is credible
evidence
>> for efficacy, but as far as homeopathy goes- it is nonsense.
>>
>> Marylynn Schmidt wrote:
>>
>>> Just my thoughts on the matter of bone (or anything) re-growth ..
>>>
>>> We are a whole and the whole must be treated so going to a
dentist for
>>> bone
>>> re-growth and/or gum tissue re-growth is as much of a
separation of self
>>> as
>>> seeing the heart specialist for heart problems, the
dermatologist for
>>> skin
>>> problems, etc
>>>
>>> Your mouth, gums, jaw bone, teeth are still a part of the
whole ..
>>> nothing
>>> is going to exist in isolation inside the human physical body.
>>>
>>> Do you know a good herbalist? I'm thinking something missing
.. but if
>>> you
>>> have some level of toxic substance as a core problem (don't we
all), then
>>> homeopathy could be the road.
>>>
>>> Mary Lynn
>>> Rev. Mary Lynn Schmidt, Ordained Minister
>>> ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART
>>> TTouch . Reiki . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Animal Behavior
Modification
>>> .
>>> Shamanic Spiritual Travel . Behavior Problems . Psionic Energy
>>> Practitioner
>>> . Radionics . Herbs . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy .
Polarity .
>>> The Animal Connection Healing Modalities
>>> http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/
>>> http://allcreatureconnections.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: "D. Mindock"
>>>> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>>> To:
>>>> Subject: Re:
>>>> [Biofuel]Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials
>>>> asEvidence)
>>>> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:48:58 -0500
>>>>
>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>> Yep, Linus Pauling was a true truth seeker, a beautiful human
being.
>>>> I've been doing a bit of research on periodontal disease. It
seems
>>>> that
>>>> there is alot going on that my dentist doesn't know about. He
just wants
>>>> to
>>>> pull teeth and put in partial plates. But there are dentists
who can
>>>> stop
>>>> the
>>>> disease and get bone and gums to regrow. So I will try to
hook up with
>>>> one
>>>> and see if he can do something to save a couple teeth. I've
talked with
>>>> a
>>>> friend
>>>> who has partials and he hates them.
>>>> I agree that flu shots are a bad idea. My wife doesn't get
them even
>>>> if they're
>>>> free. Her company brought in a couple nurses and offered all
employees
>>>> free
>>>> flu
>>>> shots. She passed. She says she feels uncomfortable for a few
days after
>>>> getting the shot
>>>> doesn't like the feeling. You just don't know what's in there
besides
>>>> the
>>>> crippled virus.
>>>> She and I work at keeping ourselves as healthy as possible
and don't
>>>> take
>>>> our health
>>>> for granted.
>>>> Yep, being ornery does help. The mind-body connection is very
real.
>>>> The mind controls
>>>> your health to a large degree. Being stubbornly optimistic or
happy is a
>>>> good way to keep the sick
>>>> bugs at bay.
>>>> Peace and joy, D. Mindock
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: M&K DuPree
>>>> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:09 PM
>>>> Subject: Re:
>>>> [Biofuel]Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials
>>>> asEvidence)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi D...good idea collecting the water thru the Pur first then
>>>> distilling. Muy excellente!!!
>>>> Linus Pauling...a true hero.
>>>> Man, sorry to hear about the periodontal stuff. But glad you
>>>> have
>>>> a remedy.
>>>> The colloidal silver I keep hearing about, but haven't tried.
>>>> Just
>>>> haven't felt the need. The wife and I don't do the flu shot
stuff, but
>>>> with whatever else we're doing, the years keep rolling by so
far without
>>>> any viral problems. Maybe being a bit ornery helps.
>>>> Mike
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: D. Mindock
>>>> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:41 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel]
>>>> Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as
Evidence)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>> Yeah, my distiller has that drip thingy too. But I don't trust it
>>>> very much. It is just
>>>> too small and the water merely flows over a the carbon
granules. So
>>>> I
>>>> use a faucet
>>>> mounted carbon block filter. It is a Pur but Brita and some
others
>>>> make them too.
>>>> I collect that filtered water and then distill it.
>>>> I am familiar with Bronson. I think that is the company that
>>>> Linus
>>>> Pauling used as
>>>> his source for vitamin C.
>>>> Ok about the vit & min supplement. You got your bases covered. I
>>>> take the same
>>>> stuff, basically. Because I have periodontal disease, I also take
>>>> grapefruit seed extract, olive leaf extract,
>>>> and MSM. If I layoff taking these, I get a bloody toothbrush that
>>>> reminds me that I need
>>>> to stay with the program. Oh, and I do take colloidal silver too.
>>>> Peace & light, D. Mindock
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: M&K DuPree
>>>> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 1:37 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness
>>>> (WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi D...regarding removing the gases, the distiller I use finishes
>>>> the process by dripping the water through a carbon filter. Is
this what
>>>> you're talking about?
>>>> Regarding the mineral replacement, I take a vitamin and
>>>> mineral
>>>> supplement from a company called Bronson. They call it "Insurance
>>>> Formula." It is a formulation based on a book written by a
Dr. Roger J.
>>>> Williams, The Wonderful World Within You (Bantam, 1977)
(How's that for
>>>> documentation, Bob?) It's been ages since I've read the book,
so can't
>>>> tell
>>>> you a damn thing about it. We buy direct from Bronson, not a
multilevel
>>>> deal or anything. Prices seem real good, so have never
considered
>>>> anything
>>>> else.
>>>> Mike DuPree
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: D. Mindock
>>>> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 1:58 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was
>>>> HypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>> Yep, homogenization breaks the particles down to such a
>>>> small
>>>> size that they
>>>> can pass through the gut into the body cavity where they put a
>>>> burden on the immune
>>>> system. Pastuerization adds to the problem by destroying the
>>>> "life
>>>> force" of the
>>>> milk, the enzymes. Of course the milk has to be from a healthy
>>>> animal that is grass
>>>> fed. Soy is controversial in that it has hormonal effects. Also
>>>> it
>>>> is a GM crop with
>>>> all that that implies. But if you seem to be thriving on it, eh,
>>>> what the heck?
>>>> WRT distilled water, just take an extra mineral tablet each
>>>> day.
>>>> That's what I do. The thing with distillers is that they are
>>>> poor
>>>> wrt to removing
>>>> volatile gases, like benzene, etc. So I run the water through a
>>>> carbon filter like
>>>> that from Pur to get those gases out. Also there's the removal
>>>> of
>>>> lead, cadmium,
>>>> etc., then the distiller cleans up the residual. So the water is
>>>> pretty clean. It is strange
>>>> though that the Pur filter allows the flouride to pass through.
>>>> Who needs that crap?
>>>> Anyway, the distiller removes it.
>>>> Peace and light, D. Mindock
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: M&K DuPree
>>>> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:39 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis
>>>> asAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi D and Mike...isn't homogenized milk whipped up into
>>>> incredibly small particles that actually scar the lining of the
>>>> esophagus
>>>> and arteries, thereby, allowing cholesterol to more easily
coagulate
>>>> along
>>>> the linings? Whether or not it does, I say "soy milk." I know I
>>>> know...tastes terrible, to some. But I only use it on cereals
and a
>>>> couple
>>>> of desserts. Plenty of other stuff to be drinking, like....uh,
>>>> water....distilled of course...I know I know minerals etc
>>>> etc...hey...distilled....period...and don't bother me about
taste...if
>>>> you
>>>> can taste it, it ain't water you're tasting! Yeah, I'm closed
minded on
>>>> this one!! LOL Mike DuPree
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "D. Mindock"
>>>> To:
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:56 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as
>>>> AnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Hi Mike,
>>>> > I think Weston Price would say to drink raw milk. When
>>>> > milk is pastuerized and homogenized, it becomes harmful
>>>> > to the body. So those drinking less of the bad milk in the
>>>> > Harvard study would actually be better off.
>>>> > Myself, I don't drink milk unless I can get it raw and
>>>> organic.
>>>> > Also, even better, is to add kefir culture to it. I think
>>>> the
>>>> Hunzas
>>>> > drink their milk cultured, not straight up.
>>>> > Peace, D. Mindock
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > From: "Mike Weaver"
>>>> > To:
>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:12 PM
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as
>>>> Anesthesia
>>>> > WasTestimonials as Evidence)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> From the can't-help-but-stick-my-toe-in dept.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Caveat: No proof other than what I've read over the years.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It has always seemed to me that the maladies that people
>>>> suffer from are
>>>> >> in large part due to environment/lifestyle. In the third
>>>> world,
>>>> >> disease is far more likely to be as a result of the lack of
>>>> food and
>>>> >> adequate nutrition, wheras in the developed world, we
>>>> suffer
>>>>
>>>>
>>> >from the
>>>
>>>
>>>> >> diseaeses of affluence: diabetis being the one that comes
>>>> to
>>>> mind,
>>>> >> along with obesity-related ailments such as heart disease,
>>>> high blood
>>>> >> pressure, strokes and so on. Smoking is another factor.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Another interesting item, from Harvard University's
>>>> website:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> In particular, these studies suggest that high calcium
>>>> intake
>>>> doesn't
>>>> >> actually appear to lower a person's risk for osteoporosis.
>>>> For example,
>>>> >> in the large Harvard studies of male health professionals
>>>> and
>>>> female
>>>> >> nurses, individuals who drank one glass of milk (or less)
>>>> per
>>>> week were
>>>> >> at no greater risk of breaking a hip or forearm than were
>>>> those who
>>>> >> drank two or more glasses per week.(2, 3
>>>> >>
>>>> )
>>>> >> Other studies have found similar results.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It is odd human beings are the only animal that develop "a
>>>> disease" if
>>>> >> they don't eat the milk of another species. Dogs don't
>>>> need
>>>> cat milk.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> bob allen wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>Howdy Terry,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>Terry Dyck wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>HI Bob,
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>The Western world has the highest rate of Cancer, Heart
>>>> disease,
>>>> >>>>Diabetes,
>>>> >>>>Respiratory problems and other ailments in the world.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>oh really, and your source for these "facts" is? are the
>>>> data age
>>>> >>>adjusted, etc. and just what "other" ailments are included.
>>>> This is the
>>>> >>>issue I have with you and others, you make what I feel are
>>>> overly broad
>>>> >>>statements as fact, without little or no support. So give
>>>> me
>>>> >>>reference or two so I can draw my own conclusions.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>or how about just statistic at a time to discuss. How
>>>> about
>>>> age
>>>> >>>adjusted cancer rates? (age adjusting is necessary as
>>>> cancer
>>>> is
>>>> >>>essentially inevitable, the longer you live the more likely
>>>> you are to
>>>> >>>get cancer.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> show me the data please.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> On the other hand
>>>> >>>>there is a valley in the middle of the Himalayan mountains
>>>> called
>>>> >>>>Hunzaland
>>>> >>>>that is an almost disease free area.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>I have heard this canard before. I googled hunzaland and
>>>> about the only
>>>> >>>thing I got were people hawking their particular "cure"
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The Apricot Kernel Anti-Cancer Theory
>>>> >>> http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/land_of_hunza.htm
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>or how about 160+ year olds
>>>> >>>http://www.arthritis-nature-cure.com/people.htm
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>do really believe that? really, you don't think someone
>>>> could be less
>>>> >>>than forthright to make a point about a product the
>>>> promote?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>or maybe it's the magnetized water
>>>> >>>http://www.stopcancer.com/magnetpHFoundation2.htm
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> A pure organic food diet and almost no
>>>> >>>>pollution could be the reason for people having good
>>>> health.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>or it could all be a bunch of hype. How do we know with out
>>>> better
>>>> >>>documentation?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>>--
>>>> >>>>>Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob
>>>> >>>>>=========================================================
>>>> >>>>>The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest
>>>> exercises in
>>>> >>>>>moral philosophy; that is,
>>>> >>>>>the search for a superior moral justification for
>>>> selfishness JKG
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>
>
>>>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Bob Allen, ozarker.org/bob
>> ------------------------------
>> Actually we are all atheists. When you understand why you have
>> rejected every other God but one, then you will understand why
I have
>> rejected yours. -Author unknown
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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